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'Dumbing Down' phenomenon in america

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Re: 'Dumbing Down' phenomenon in america

Unread postby rdberg1957 » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 18:19:16

What has been removed from our education is the capacity for deep thought. Television has certainly taken attention from books. In books and lengthy magazine articles, a line of reasoning is developed. Computers and the internet allow us to gather much greater amounts of information than in past years, but we may not use it as well. Look magazine was a popular magazine in the 1950's. I had the opportunity to read a series of lengthy articles written at the time of the Arkansas desegregation controversy by the superintendent of schools. I wondered to myself if I would ever see such thoughtful writing in People magazine.
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Re: 'Dumbing Down' phenomenon in america

Unread postby Lighthouse » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 19:19:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', 'T')he evolution of the smart man

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No wonder smart men are becoming scarce. What finally did them in was the print-your-own-t-shirt shops. That gave them the weapon to effectively remove themselves from the gene pool.


How many of them are American?
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Re: 'Dumbing Down' phenomenon in america

Unread postby Lighthouse » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 19:22:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rdberg1957', 'W')hat has been removed from our education is the capacity for deep thought.


I don't know. Most people in all times had the tendency to believe things they were told and not to think for themselves. The capacity for deep thoughts was always limited to a view people. Think about, we still can name most of them ...
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Re: 'Dumbing Down' phenomenon in america

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Wed 06 Dec 2006, 12:39:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'A')re we talking about social indoctrination (education) into the consumer culture


No. I was talking about classical education, like what rdberg1957 is talking about.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', 'T')hat gave them the weapon to effectively remove themselves from the gene pool.


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Re: 'Dumbing Down' phenomenon in america

Unread postby holmes » Wed 06 Dec 2006, 15:56:53

Also the lack of minerals/vitamins/enzymes in our food is inhibiting brain development. Also the mercury laced wombs. Also the chemicals in our environment and food, etc...
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Re: 'Dumbing Down' phenomenon in america

Unread postby BlisteredWhippet » Wed 06 Dec 2006, 17:11:39

I had the opportunity to peruse a schoolboy's textbook from the 1900s, my great-grandfather's schoolbook. It was a compact little volume, packed with problem sets on every page. Mathematics was taught "applied". There were no "bricks" of problems, "exercises", so forth.

All the problems were story problems, framed in occupational reality. For example, how many board feet of lumber do you need to make a crate 4x8x6? If lumber is X/bd. ft, how much is the cost?

The problems were framed around real-life occupations: millworker, dressmaker, agriculturist, builder, etc. Lots of problems involving money and cash economics. How to make interest-rate calculations on loans. Daily budgeting skills.

After a course in all this, the kid could be expected to be able to conduct his own business or at least jump in and run with just about any occupation in the society.
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Re: 'Dumbing Down' phenomenon in america

Unread postby mercurygirl » Thu 07 Dec 2006, 03:16:51

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Re: 'Dumbing Down' phenomenon in america

Unread postby mercurygirl » Thu 07 Dec 2006, 12:49:39

Video: Do schools today kill creativity?

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Re: 'Dumbing Down' phenomenon in america

Unread postby mercurygirl » Sun 10 Dec 2006, 02:17:00

Video: "Who controls our children?"

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Swiped this from the "college is a waste" thread, thanks dukey. It's long and poor video quality, but great research and worth watching in full or in part if you're at all interested in education.

Basically, public education = behaviour modification. Cui bono?
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Re: 'Dumbing Down' phenomenon in america

Unread postby smiley » Sun 10 Dec 2006, 15:08:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his may seem odd, but given the average intellect of someone with a Phd I find it hard to believe that they do not see that the university system is flooding the market for degrees. Within the system grade inflation is a horrible problem.


I couldn't agree more. I have been a teacher at the university (chemistry, materials science). One time I had a class which as a whole was below average. For some reason there was quite negative interaction in the group; it seemed that they were trying to master in partying rather than chemistry.

During the course they get three three-hour exams. The first one was made so badly that even though I was quite lenient in my examination only 40% passed.

The next day I got a call from the director, explaining me that he was genuinely unhappy with the results and that he strongly expected better grades next time.

For the next exam I decided to do a little test. At the start of the course students are given a syllabus with all the questions (and answers) of the previous exams, as study material. So for this exam I gave them exactly the same exam as the year before.

The result was predictable (unfortunately). 80% scored a D, 20% had a straight A, meaning that only 20% had bothered to study the material.

This time the director came to my office. He was extremely angry. In the end he revealed his real motivation. The university is largely dependent on college fees. The college budget was written on the basis that 68% would pass that year. Since a lower percentage would imply financial losses, I was forced to adjust my grades to this percentage, even if this meant cutting the requirements for passage by 40%. I finally gave in, and then started looking for a new job.

The problem with our school system (and I guess it is the same in America) is money. When you start running schools like businesses the outcome is predictable.

Here you have a company which product is selling degrees. Then the business solution is aimed towards selling as many degrees for the best price possible. The appearance of quality (rather than quality itself) is just a marketing tool.
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Re: 'Dumbing Down' phenomenon in america

Unread postby dukey » Sun 10 Dec 2006, 15:12:51

in the uk (from my observation) science and math based degrees are dying, and arts based degrees are gaining in popularity.
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Re: 'Dumbing Down' phenomenon in america

Unread postby smiley » Sun 10 Dec 2006, 17:33:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think that tells the whole story. The society is being maintained by people with hardcore analysis skills, but the universities find it much easier to sell slushy art degrees.


A ship does not move without the rowers, it will run aground without the people who know the tides, the winds and the stars, but it certainly will get nowhere without the creative mind at the helm steering it to unknown places.

It is a question of balance and numbers. Artists, laborers and scientists are equally indispensable to society. People like Shakespeare, Dante, Vergillius, Homerus and many others have put as much a mark on society, as Einstein, Paracelsus, Archimedes, Democritus and colleagues.

I would therefore not call art a slushy profession. Whether you need so many of them that is a different matter. And Indeed I think that that balance is lost, both on the side of science as on skilled labor.
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Re: 'Dumbing Down' phenomenon in america

Unread postby smiley » Sun 10 Dec 2006, 19:22:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lso, you may not be saying this but I just thought I would mention, there is big difference between Dante and the guy who won the local art contest with a bed spring decorated with fingernails and cigarette buttes.


Well to the Florentine contemporaries of Dante the difference might not be that big. After all he was expelled from Firenze :-)

Maybe in a hundred years your bedspring guy will be regarded as a visionary of his age. (I doubt it but still)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e are all artists, but art is not sustaining technical prowess.


I think it does. Art is the muse of technology. It is no coincidence that one of our greatest artists was also one of our greatest scientists (Da Vinci).

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')o, if we market to everyone saying, "You are a Superstar." How long until they all think its true and start expecting to be able to go to college. Most people will find better value by going to a tech school.


Very true. And I hate the attitude of the companies, that instead of encouraging people to study these professions, are off-shoring the jobs to China, India and such. I guess that attitude is going to haunt us because we are badly going to need those kind of professions in a not too distant future.
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