[dukey]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he producers conveniently forget to mention is that in 1993 the WTC had already been a target of a terrorist attack.

[kokoda]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'O')h joy - all this lighthouse so you can come to the very same conclusion that they did in loose change "Near free fall speed".
If ya wanna get technical a good technician could actually remove or add frames from film/video to extend or decrease the time shown and a bunch of other neat "tricks".

Pigeon hole bullshit is exactly what this is and Kokoda's review pffft a joke at best....
Very lame - very weak.
Wow huh? talk about a fucking waste of time.
9 seconds? 10 seconds? 11 seconds?
Yeah lets talk about the angle of the cut on that beam and not the fact that most of the steel was shipped to where? china? WTF....

So they could have made the movie 4 hours long and it still would have gotten this much exposure?....gimme a break.

1:30:00 is a real stretch for most people unless they are being "entertained".

Bad investigative journalism as opposed to what? show me the good investigative journalism please.

What loose change proposes comes from the play books of the CIA.
This stuff is too good to be fiction.
Using fake planes, radio controlled et al.
Nope - none of it fiction.
And even though you think more relates to it and I agree - there is still a time format and viewer attention span to consider.
You are simply against it or you are not thinking yet at this point I STILL do not know which is the case.

"a quick first impression review" well isn't that special....

Good luck and good night.

[Armageddon]

Well, false flag terror kills innocent people to further their agenda. Do you really think they care about a couple hundred people in a few planes after they already killed over 3,000 ? Without cheap and abundant energy, millions in the US will ultimately lose their lives. This is the trade off.

[dukey]

any questions ?

[flash width=425 height=350]http://www.youtube.com/v/GEPjOi2dQSM[/flash]

[Armageddon]

very convincing. But, 911 is just like PO. You can show somebody all the evidense in the world, and if they dont want to believe, they wont believe. Their minds are pre programmed to think their government would never and could never do such a thing. There is a parable in the bible when Jesus is speaking that reminds me of this. He says, " They look but they cannot see, they listen, but they cannot hear ".

[kokoda]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'a')ny questions ?

[dukey]

does any of that matter ?
The 15 hour burning building there was NOTHING left of the top, except the core supporting pillars. Talk about 20 story hole, that building had no sides left at all lol.

The central core of a steel framed building, (like the twin towers) is extremely strong. In the case of any tall building, when it rocks in the wind the weight is shifted to different load bearing areas. If one or even a couple should fail you would still expect the building to hold up. For them all to fail at the same time, is just mad. Some of the other buildings in the surrounding area took far more of a beating than WTC7, yet none of them fell over, or collapsed into piles.

[Armageddon]

steel structures cannot fall from the top down. They are way too strong. Unless they are taken out at different levels including the base at or near the same time. That's why there were huge explosions that were heard , seen and felt by many eyewitnesses and video proof. Logic people, logic. Use common sense.

[Laughs_Last]

Wow, I can't keep up with the speed this thread is growing.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', '
')... and strangely when u see pictures of all the beams being carted off from ground zero they are all approximately the same size. We supposed to believe that is a coincidence also ? The majority of the steal was 'broken' into 30 foot sections, really quite convenient for the 30 foot trucks they were all shipped out on.

[Armageddon]

Explosions heard could just as easily been the sound of all those bolts breaking.

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keep telling yourself that enough times, and you will eventually believe it.

[dukey]

i should have been more specific
the CORE columns were found in roughly 30 foot sections. Not the outside columns, these were shorter anyway.

I'm talking about these, the massive 47 steel columns. They basically were the entire support for the building.



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')In addition to shouldering some of the vertical load (the weight of the building), the outer steel columns supported all of the horizontal forces acting on the tower (the force of the wind). This meant the inner support structure was completely dedicated to the huge vertical loads.

[Armageddon]

also, remember the audio of the fireman that said he only needed a couple lines to put the remaining fires out ? They darn near had the fires put out. Most of the jet fuel ( kerosene ) burned off at impact

[Rishabh87]

Here is your raging inferno for WTC7
http://911myths.com/wtc7moresmoke.avi

(You might have to right click and save)

As you can see, there is a lot of smoke coming out of that thing.

Here's some images:
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_fire.html

Also, has anyone considered the fact that the jet fuel induced fire burns the office furniture and the papers which burn at a much higher temperature, which creates more heat, which would weaken the steel some more.

Everyone should watch Loose Change with this handy guide:
http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

This guy has tried to debunk every part of this film. His comments are in green highlight.

[dukey]

do u know anything about chemistry ?

do you know that smoke means the fire is cool burning. There isn't enough oxygen for complete combustion. Even if the steel had softed, which is highly unlikely, you wouldn't expect a all the columns to fail at the same time then the building just collapse from the bottom in a fashion which perfectly resmembles controlled demolition. Wake up !

[Rishabh87]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'd')o u know anything about chemistry ?

do you know that smoke means the fire is cool burning. There isn't enough oxygen for complete combustion. Even if the steel had softed, which is highly unlikely, you wouldn't expect a all the columns to fail at the same time then the building just collapse from the bottom in a fashion which perfectly resmembles controlled demolition. Wake up !

[dukey]

yes it did fall down exactly demolition style
go look at some demolition videos
it takes a huge amount of skill to make them come down perfectly symmetrically. A lot lean over to some extent.

Plus the damage + fire theory can not explain the molten pools of metal found at the bases of all 3 world trade centres.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')e know that WTC 1/2 were burning at about 1500C, while steel melts at about 3000C, but that would mean the iron would be liquefied. We also have to remember that iron reacts with oxygen in the slow rusting process, but an increase in temperature will accelerate that process as more molecules are available to react. So the steel would thus weaken. Iron fires also suck all the oxygen to themselves rather quickly, which explains why there is so much smoke as iron is not the only thing burning (those things don't have much oxygen to burn at the high temps.)

[zberry]

It is really quite amusing to see how people perform intellectual contortions to defend the official 9111story/myth. They have a problem. There are not just a handful of legitimate questions about 911; there are literally hundreds, if not thousands of legitimate questions. Face it, the official story is a joke at this point and the 911 Truth movement is gaining momentum.
The three biggest smoking guns, IMO:
1. WTC 7 is obvious controlled demolition, and Silverstein (foolishly) admitted it on camera (but then, most criminals secretely want to be caught).
2. The precense for days afterward of molten steel under the rubble, literally flowing like lava or molten steel in a foundry, according to rescue workers at the scene. For weeks, their boots literally melted from the heat. No way did the plane fuel and associated burning of furniture, etc., create enough heat to create flowing, molten steel for days afterward.
3. The coverup afterwards, in which the military, FAA all lied. I mean, we have had four different versions from military and FAA to explain why there was no fighter jet response. As Patty Casaza (Jersey Girl) says in 9/11 Press for Truth: 'They lied; they all lied. No we need to find out why they lied and what was the consequence of those lies.'

[Armageddon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zberry', 'I')t is really quite amusing to see how people perform intellectual contortions to defend the official 9111story/myth. They have a problem. There are not just a handful of legitimate questions about 911; there are literally hundreds, if not thousands of legitimate questions. Face it, the official story is a joke at this point and the 911 Truth movement is gaining momentum.
The three biggest smoking guns, IMO:
1. WTC 7 is obvious controlled demolition, and Silverstein (foolishly) admitted it on camera (but then, most criminals secretely want to be caught).
2. The precense for days afterward of molten steel under the rubble, literally flowing like lava or molten steel in a foundry, according to rescue workers at the scene. For weeks, their boots literally melted from the heat. No way did the plane fuel and associated burning of furniture, etc., create enough heat to create flowing, molten steel for days afterward.
3. The coverup afterwards, in which the military, FAA all lied. I mean, we have had four different versions from military and FAA to explain why there was no fighter jet response. As Patty Casaza (Jersey Girl) says in 9/11 Press for Truth: 'They lied; they all lied. No we need to find out why they lied and what was the consequence of those lies.'

[kokoda]

The majority of eye witnesses reported a large commercial aircraft plowed into the Pentagon.

The hole in the building was 90 ft wide ... plenty big enough for the fuselage of a 757.

The Pentagon was/is a very solid building ... it shouldn't be surprising that an aircraft disintergrates on impact.

Aircraft parts were found in the building.

Eyewitnesses noticed that wtc7 was leaning and out of alignment long before it collapsed. This meant that the explosives that bought it down were working in slow motion or ... more likely ... the base of the building was badly damaged when the twin towers collapsed. I might remind you ... for about the tenth time ... that there was a huge hole in the base of the building. Read the Fema report and it outlines the unique structure of this building.

I mean really, robot aircraft, faked mobile phone calls using voice immitation software, innocent passengers spirited off planes and supposedly either murdered in cold blood or being held in detention for the rest of their lives.

Do you seriously think that this sounds more plausible then the official versions of events?

[dukey]

yup
the hole was 90 foot wide
you can see so clearly in this photo where the engines smashed into the side of the building



oh wait, no you can't really

and this is where the 'plane' came out the other side