[GranolaPete]

I'm new to your site but I must say its refreshing to find another site for like minded individuals such as myself. I'm so angry that so many people refuse to acknowledge our growing ecological concerns. I mean with so many of our children and innocent Iraqis dying how can people just be so stupid about the enviroment. They don't care about how dependent we are on fossil fuel because they can still go fill up they're hummers. they won't start careing untill they don't have the gas to drive they're fat kids to they're soccer game. Everywhere I look people are wasting water which just blows my mind, and nobody seems to care about conserving electrisity anymore. I thought we as a people where getting better, I thought we as a people where evolving but then they go and re-elect that imbicile W. I'm disgusted to be associated with the ignorent bastards who call themselves Americans.

[Sencha]

If you were just a little more coherent, and grammatically correct, that could have been the Peak Oil Manifesto. I'm totally with you. Unfortunately, just about anyone know isn't on this board, is not. They'll be sorry when their world comes to a screeching halt all around them. So will most of us, I'm afraid. Only difference is that we'd know it was coming.

[spot5050]

>"electrisity"?!

>"ignorent bastards"?!

Hello fellow newcomer. But have you been drinking? <g>

[AlCzervik]

Pete, I hear you, brother. I snapped in a similar way yesterday, but restrained myself from going a huge rant in here. I have been repeating the peak oil mantra on other forums for almost a year now, and no one cares, not even on political boards. If people who debate politics won't listen to what is the foundation for much of the world's conflict (securing resouces), what about the average idiot who only cares about watching tonight's episode of "reality" television?

I am at a point where I don't care if the U.S. goes to hell -- I hope the rest of the world declares economic war on us and crushes our economy. Then, peak oil can deliver the knockout. I know that is defeatist, and maybe I will come back around to being excited to spread the peak oil message , but I simply cannot maintain the positive attitude that some people on here have. I don't have a wife or kids, so I shouldn't even care all that much, but the funny thing is that most of my married friends with kids are the ones who won't listen. If only they knew how bad it was going to be for the young ones..

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AlCzervik', 'I') am at a point where I don't care if the U.S. goes to hell -- I hope the rest of the world declares economic war on us and crushes our economy. Then, peak oil can deliver the knockout.

[spot5050]

Isn't it as easy to fall into the "the end of the world is upon us" mode of thinking, as it is to fall into "narr, this isn't happening" mode of thinking?

Opposite ends of the same stick?

[Tyler_JC]

I used to post on MSN's Slate Magazine...thing. I learned about Peak Oil and tried in vain to tell others about the coming crisis. They ignored me and decided that the swift boat veterans were more interesting. There was only one other person who knew about PO he finally gave up and I followed suit. I almost want to say that telling others is a waste of time. But if everyone followed that motto 3 months ago, I wouldn't know about PO. So even though it costs friends/sanity/sleep we have to fight the good fight. We have a responsibility to teach those around us. We hold the key. If we don't give them the key, they will run head first into a solid oak door.

Then again, chaos makes great TV .

But chaos would take out cable and we wouldn't even get to watch it on Fox .

It's a toss-up.

[Ayoob_Reloaded]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('spot5050', 'I')sn't it as easy to fall into the "the end of the world is upon us" mode of thinking, as it is to fall into "narr, this isn't happening" mode of thinking?

Opposite ends of the same stick?

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob_Reloaded', '
')You tell me. How are we going to get out of this mess?

[mrniceguy]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'I') almost want to say that telling others is a waste of time. But if everyone followed that motto 3 months ago, I wouldn't know about PO. So even though it costs friends/sanity/sleep we have to fight the good fight. We have a responsibility to teach those around us. We hold the key. If we don't give them the key, they will run head first into a solid oak door.

[spot5050]

>You tell me. How are we going to get out of this mess?

I'm not sure. I agree that at first glance it looks rather bleak, however it is possible to argue that there are a couple of compensating factors -

1. Around PO, when energy suddenly becomes more expensive, many many more people (with better brains than ours) will start to apply themselves to the problem.

2. We are terribly wasteful of energy because it has always been so cheap. After PO, when energy is expensive, there's suddenly a big incentive to be efficient. If oil depletes at 2% per anum after peak, but we compensate for that by becoming 1.9% more energy efficient per anum, things don't look so bad. Not good, but not "the end of the world as we know it is just around the corner."

[TyeDye]

Fat kids cant play soccer... lol

(just thought Id lighten the mood a little)

[mindfarkk]

i'm sure "we" wil stabilize. i'm just not sure what's going to happen to me, personally, before we get there, and what my life will be like, if i don't prepare for losing all my assets (oh wait, i don't have any!), employment prospects (already happened), health care (already happened), shelter, and if it comes to it, food sources. god i'm halfway there already!

the thing is if things are going to go on the way they have been, and there is some point to investing money in american funds, and there is any possibility that social security might actually exist when i need it to retire, well, it's worth it to finish my education to get my NEW career off the ground (assuming it doesn't follow my last one down the recession toilet) and continue to live on "normal" terms.

but IF there is any real possibility of everything going south, and considering that i am already a gnat's ass away from landing on the curb and running from fascist police forces if they do, or fighting the madding mob for a bite to eat and clubbing little old ladies (oh wait, i'll be the little old lady soon, sorry) for their rations - well - if i am at least likely to lose any prospects of GETTING any kind of viable retirement benefit and health care - it would behoove me to think about what i will need to do to leave this system in a way that optimizes first my own, and second my local communities' viability, and how i will know it's time to make each move.

[YachtMan001]

It shocks and amazes me that you pinko scum can still be allowed to call yuorself Americans. You can bitch and moan all you want about how the evil corporations have doner this country wrong, but really...what have you done to build up this great nation and keep it safe. Hell...when you commie bastards arent going on strike, your trying to get gays on the television to pervert my kids...you and your hippie doctrines are all science crap with no basic foundation in the economic real world...I would say get a job, but the only type of occupations you people seem to be able to pull down is computer webpage designer (PCs are plastic, bitches) and granola taste-tester. If your little post-oil theories pan out, I hope you are the first that gets eaten for food.

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t shocks and amazes me that you pinko scum can still be allowed to call yuorself Americans.

[EnviroEngr]

Where in the brain do opinions start forming? Are acetylcholine or dopamines involved? What part does the Limbic System play?

[spot5050]

It's always good to see carefully crafted, incisive, open minded debate.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnviroEngr', '
')Where in the brain do opinions start forming?

[mindfarkk]

i'm pinko scum! memememememe!!!! me first!

i'd rather be a commie than a fascist, so there! nyah nyah nyah!

and... oh yeah. this is my current theory about Life On Earth.

1) power corrupts. in my world, i recast this to say, excess power corrupts. in other words, any power that exceeds your own indigenous power of choice, is excess.
2) systems borrow power (input) to produce (work).
3) power coming from outside the system is, in effect, an excess over the original power state.
3) all systems are therefore self-corrupting.

[TyeDye]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('YachtMan001', ':')-x

It shocks and amazes me that you pinko scum can still be allowed to call yuorself Americans. You can bitch and moan all you want about how the evil corporations have doner this country wrong, but really...what have you done to build up this great nation and keep it safe. Hell...when you commie bastards arent going on strike, your trying to get gays on the television to pervert my kids...you and your hippie doctrines are all science crap with no basic foundation in the economic real world...I would say get a job, but the only type of occupations you people seem to be able to pull down is computer webpage designer (PCs are plastic, bitches) and granola taste-tester. If your little post-oil theories pan out, I hope you are the first that gets eaten for food.