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Re: Gender Relations East and West

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 22:02:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', ' ') I like to f*ck alot. actually more than alot. Its out of control.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ing Of Fire Lyrics

Love is a burning thing
and it makes a firery ring
bound by wild desire
I fell in to a ring of fire...

I fell in to a burning ring of fire
I went down,down,down
and the flames went higher.
And it burns,burns,burns
the ring of fire
the ring of fire.

The taste of love is sweet
when hearts like our's meet
I fell for you like a child
oh, but the fire went wild..

I fell in to a burning ring of fire.....
There's lots more where that came from! Songs about broads and booze. Let's not hear from you three months from now about how you find you a have a taste for Jim Beam alluvasudden! We'll have to start quoting Jimmy Buffet songs! :shock:

BTW, this reminds me of a story my old friend the Mexican cook told me back in the restaraunt days. He left Mexico to get away from a relationship, evidently, that was too heavy for him or something and he had to dump her. He said they were in touch again and the girl came to visit him in the US many years later. She was working as a model, really good looking, with money, etc. It got hot all over again and he was ready to give himself to her at last and she dumped him this time, left him crying in his beer. He's very leery of love now. This guy used to "eat ego sandwiches" he told me, act cold and haughty to "get over" on the girl, put her in her place, yadda yadda. So the question we debated: had she planned revenge or did it just work out that way? he doesn't know.
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Re: Gender Relations East and West

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 23:27:01

here's another interesting gender-relations story from around here: a young lawyer had himself a pretty blond wife. she gave him children and helped him through law school and helped him build a career. So he's a big success, making big bucks, a prominent high-priced well-connected local attorney. What does he do? he dumps the blond who is looking middle-aged for a hot young brunette trophy wife. What does the ex do? Well, she's a big time socialite in La Jolla and isn't going to stand for the insult: she stalks them and finally murders both of them in their bed. She smiles as she goes off to prison. They made a movie about this one. The Betty Broderick case.
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Re: Gender Relations East and West

Unread postby Ayame » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 04:09:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', ' ')A good antidote to feminist ideologues who assume difference = inequality


Why is the opinion that difference = inequality feminist?

It is more like fact, difference does indeed entail inequality in most cases and not just in the gender domain, it also occurs with race, religion, disability and age.
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Re: Gender Relations East and West

Unread postby Ayame » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 04:55:00

Acutally it's not looking good for non-division of labour.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') new explanation for the demise of the Neanderthals, the stockily built human species that occupied Europe until the arrival of modern humans 45,000 years ago, has been proposed by two anthropologists at the University of Arizona. Unlike modern humans, who had developed a versatile division of labor between men and women, the entire Neanderthal population seems to have been engaged in a single main occupation, the hunting of large game, the scientists, Steven L. Kuhn and Mary C. Stiner, say in an article posted online yesterday in Current Anthropology. Because modern humans exploited the environment more efficiently, by having men hunt large game and women gather small game and plant foods, their populations would have outgrown those of the Neanderthals.


Neanderthal Women Joined Men in the Hunt
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Re: Gender Relations East and West

Unread postby Zardoz » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 12:28:40

And, speaking of Neanderthals, those who are still among us are insisting more and more that it's not their fault. It's really those damned women who have screwed the world up so completely:

It's all her fault!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..dogs need firm, manly leadership: "If what you do is say, 'I'm sorry, baby, Mommy has to go, blah, blah, blah,' the dog doesn't understand what you are saying. He only understands that you are in a soft state and he is dominating you."

Well, that's true of people, too, isn't it? The problem in the world today is that we treat people the way women treat dogs. We should all be treated like this guy says men treat dogs. Look at Iraq. Look how much better it was under Saddam. Now we're trying to be Miss Nice Girl to the Iraqis, and look what's happened.

It all makes perfect sense to me. The Afghan guys are right. It really is all women's fault:

New Refuges for Women Face Permanent Danger of Attack

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')fghan society still considers such women "bad" and deserving of punishment.
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Re: Gender Relations East and West

Unread postby Loki » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 14:57:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', ' ')A good antidote to feminist ideologues who assume difference = inequality


Why is the opinion that difference = inequality feminist?

It is more like fact, difference does indeed entail inequality in most cases and not just in the gender domain, it also occurs with race, religion, disability and age.

It's not limited to feminists, but the great majority of feminists that I've met/read posit the notion that difference = inequality. Try telling a feminist that "separate but equal" is actually possible and see what her reaction is.

I pointed out two cases where difference did not mean inequality---those just happen to be the two Native groups with which I am most familiar. I'm sure there are many more examples throughout the world.

The Neandertal article is interesting, but based on pretty slim evidence. Fascinating hypothesis, but unproven so far. The most cited reason in the anthropological lit for a sexual division of labor among human hunter-gatherers is child rearing. Since child rearing generally falls to women, they need work they can do while they are watching after the kiddies. There may certainly be more to the story---it's not something that has really excited my research interest, so I haven't steeped myself in the literature. But there certainly does seem to be an evolutionary advantage to dividing labor by sex, so in that sense I'd agree with the Neanderthal hypothesis. It's pretty much a universal constant of all pre-modern human societies.
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