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THE John Bolton Thread (merged)

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Re: Bolton "Iran has 300-400 years of oil"

Unread postby seahorse2 » Wed 20 Sep 2006, 15:47:54

Spec,

I agree that times change, but I would like to know the rational for helping the Shah start a nuclear program - was it because they didn't have 300 years of oil left and needed to diversify (contrary to Bolton), or did they need nukes to defend themselves. I would like to know.

However, your mentioning the fact that 60 years ago Germans gassed Jews may provide the answer to Bolton's bs statement that the Iranians have 300-400 years of oil left. Most here would agree that the Iranians don't have 300-400 years of oil left, so Bolton saying that is a ruse. His statement, though, has a lot of public appeal, just like the Nazis blaming the Jews for all their economic problems appealed to the German sentiment at the time.
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Re: Bolton "Iran has 300-400 years of oil"

Unread postby Daculling » Wed 20 Sep 2006, 19:00:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'M')ost here would agree that the Iranians don't have 300-400 years of oil left, so Bolton saying that is a ruse.


Ya know he didnt state at what level of production. Sure Iran will have oil in 400 years. Maybe 10-15 barrels a day. :)

I agree with the previous poster (I forget who) It would have been much better to take the Russian deal. Then they could produce PU right?
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Re: Bolton "Iran has 300-400 years of oil"

Unread postby elocs » Wed 20 Sep 2006, 20:40:34

Yayyy! We're saved! We're saved! So much for peak oil. If it comes from the Bush administration it must be true. They would never lie to us.
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Re: Bolton "Iran has 300-400 years of oil"

Unread postby mjpete » Thu 21 Sep 2006, 08:45:59

We can solve all of our our problems by changing our systems to run on superheated air. As long as keep the bush administration around we will never run out.
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Re: Bolton "Iran has 300-400 years of oil"

Unread postby aahala » Thu 21 Sep 2006, 10:59:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'B')ack in the mid-70's, the Carter Whitehouse declared |(paraphrasing) that Iran would be a good customer for US nuclear technology because its oil reserves were expected to peak and begin to decline in about fifteen years - that would have put Iran's peak at about 1990 or so.

I remember reading this somewhere.


That might be true, but any actual transfer of technology was
unlikely unless that had already be approved prior to Jan. 1977.
Carter took power and the Shah gave up power almost exactly
two years apart.
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Re: Bolton "Iran has 300-400 years of oil"

Unread postby Gazzatrone » Thu 21 Sep 2006, 13:58:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nero', '4'). Reserves don't count, production is all that matters.


Precisely, see below.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nero', '5'). Iran has had a hard time maintaining their oil production levels, putting into question their own reserve numbers let alone Bolton's extra 200 billion barrels of oil.


Now the quoted lasting of oil is 300 - 400 years. Well lets blow that one with your quote of 200 billion barrels extra, right out of the water and into inner space orbit.

According to ASPO. Iran's current reserves stand at an estimated 86 billion barrels which sounds pretty reasonable. add that 200 spare oil lying around and you get 286 billion barrels.

WOOHOO!!!!

Let's throw in the current global consumption rate, and stretch the imagination that if IRAN sold NO oil for the remaining 30 years of lasting oil. When Iran picks up where the world lets off in 2036, those consumption rates will be close to 45 - 50 billion barrels of oil per year.

So quick sum

286 / 45 = 6.3 years

286 / 50 = 5.7 years

Now I'm no rocket science but those equations look nothing like 300 - 400 years.

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Bye-bye Bolton

Unread postby Zardoz » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 17:06:51

One thing after another for poor old BushCo:

John Bolton Resigns as U.S. Ambassador to U.N.

I'm not ready to start feeling sorry for them, however...
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Re: Bye-bye Bolton

Unread postby smiley » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 17:22:16

[smilie=wave.gif]

Glad to see that guy go.
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Re: Bye-bye Bolton

Unread postby TheTurtle » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 17:42:19

Why does the rats and sinking ship analogy come to mind? :cry:
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Re: Bye-bye Bolton

Unread postby rdberg1957 » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 18:22:06

Mr. Bush blames the Senators who are blocking the nomination rather than reflecting on the quality of his choice.
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Re: Bye-bye Bolton

Unread postby holmes » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 18:32:40

Yes grab the citizens guns and then all will be ahppy happy joy joy! Hey communism is a failure. Period.
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Re: Bye-bye Bolton

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 18:42:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'Y')es grab the citizens guns and then all will be ahppy happy joy joy! Hey communism is a failure. Period.


Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't get the connection. How do you go from "Bolton's out" to "They wanna grab the guns"?
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Re: Bye-bye Bolton

Unread postby DesertBear2 » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 19:53:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Adolf Hitler', 'T')here goes another of the old guard

-on the occasion of Erwin Rommels departure by suicide.

At the end, Adolf & gang were so isolated in the Fuehrer bunker that they were reduced to calling random Berlin telephone numbers in order to find out information of any kind about the war.

Soon W will also be deeply isolated and staring disaster in the face.
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Re: Bye-bye Bolton

Unread postby holmes » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 20:57:46

Bolton was at least fighting against the UN global gun grab agenda. Now who knows! Hey those elites and lords can protect us! Im a servant to the lords and their manors. Im going to puke.
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Re: Bye-bye Bolton

Unread postby Benzin » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 21:45:42

I really don't understand the fear of the evil UN coming to the United States to take everyone's guns. Am I missing something here? The UN can't even keep the peace, nor can they make any relevant decisions - so how in the hell are they take American's guns?

Just because the UN said so, doesn't mean it's gonna fly here. It would require a treaty, which has be ratified by BOTH houses and signed by the president for it to become law. It's not gonna happen. I'd be more worried about the (meaning the US) government taking away guns then anything the UN could ever muster.

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Re: Bye-bye Bolton

Unread postby rogerhb » Mon 04 Dec 2006, 22:08:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'B')olton was at least fighting against the UN global gun grab agenda.


A tin of spam could do Bolton's job at the UN. It's simple, the US has a veto, and says no to everything.
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Re: Bye-bye Bolton

Unread postby SeasonOfPain » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 00:34:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'A') tin of spam could do Bolton's job at the UN.


Come now, let's not be insulting.

The tin of spam would do a much better job.
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Re: Bye-bye Bolton

Unread postby DantesPeak » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 00:47:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'B')olton was at least fighting against the UN global gun grab agenda.


A tin of spam could do Bolton's job at the UN. It's simple, the US has a veto, and says no to everything.


Actually, many in the UN thought he was somewhat like a can of spam - very predictable.

Seems the America-first neocon point of view by now is well known throughout the world.
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Re: Bye-bye Bolton

Unread postby TITAN » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 01:04:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'B')olton was at least fighting against the UN global gun grab agenda. Now who knows! Hey those elites and lords can protect us! Im a servant to the lords and their manors. Im going to puke.


It's always easy to know what limbaugh/orielly/hannity/savage are talking about when idiotic statements such as yours are allowed to occur.
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Re: Bye-bye Bolton

Unread postby Zardoz » Tue 05 Dec 2006, 02:46:05

Dubya is sad:

Bush: 'I'm not happy' about Bolton's resignation

This guy is probably not sad:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')arl Ford, the former chief of the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research, called Bolton "a quintessential kiss-up, kick-down sort of guy" and a "serial abuser" of subordinates.
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