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new ghost towns of the West

Unread postby seldom_seen » Tue 07 Nov 2006, 04:30:36

Interesting article on the cratering housing market in Arizona:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or-sale signs in some new subdivisions are so common that Janet L. Yellen, the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, recently described them as “the new ghost towns of the West.”'

The influx of buyers from California, many of them individual speculators, was so strong that builders overestimated demand and constructed a lot more homes than there were people wanting to live in them, said John Burns, a real estate consultant in Irvine, Calif. He noted that investors bought roughly a third of homes sold in the Phoenix area last year, according to mortgage application data.

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Heh, they even use the term "Mc-Mansions" in this article. Kunstler speak is infiltrating the mainstream. If Kunstler is right in his conviction that the US economy is pretty much driven by the build out of suburbia, which I think he is. Then I feel that we're starting to lose our footing on a really slippery slope. The type of article that makes you want to stock up on salt, lard, a side of bacon and some 12 gauge shells.

In downtown Seattle they're throwing up massive condo buildings so fast it's frightening. Makes you wonder how much is real and how much is for the condo flippers.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')oogle’s plans to hire several hundred employees here is frequently cited as a sign of vitality.

Scratch that, our economy isn't based on the build-out of suburbia but on a search engine. As long as we've got google we'll be ok.

Speaking of google, I love Kunstler's description of his visit to google headquarters:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')oogle HQ was a glass office park pod tucked into an inscrutable tangle of off-ramps, berms, manzanita clumps, and curb-cuts. But inside, it was all tricked out like a kindergarten. They had pool tables, and inflatable yoga balls, and $6000 electronic vibrating massage lounge chairs, and snack stations deployed at twenty-five step intervals, with lucite bins filled with chocolate raisins and granola. The employees dressed like children. There were two motifs: "skateboard rat" and "10th grade nerd." I suppose quite a few of them were millionaires. Many of the work cubicles were literally modular children's playhouses. I gave my spiel about the global oil problem and the unlikelihood that "alternative energy" would even fractionally replace it, and quite a few of the Googlers became incensed.

"Yo, Dude, you're so, like, wrong! We've got, like, technology!"

Yeah, well, they weren't interested in making a distinction between energy and technology (or, more precisely where Google is concerned, a massive web-based advertising scheme -- because it is finally clear that all this talk about "connectivity" just leads to more commercial shilling, shucking, jiving, and generally fucking with your headspace in the interstices of whatever purposeful activity one may be struggling to enact on the internet).
But how the world turns. One day, cock of the walk. Next, a feather duster.
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Re: new ghost towns of the West

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Sat 02 Dec 2006, 12:07:37

Look at the future; it's here today. :?

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Re: new ghost towns of the West

Unread postby gwmss15 » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 06:47:17

in 1997 in south east asia there was a property boom that suddenly collaped leaving thousands of unfinished office building, condos, and full shopping malls that to this day are still abandoned and now slowly rotting away.

the best example is in KL called plaza raykat a 500 meter tall office/shopping and apartment complex with a metro station connected to it all that is complete is the metro station with a narrow steel walkway to connect it to the road as the building is just a huge hole in the ground as it has been for 11 years now. a small number of these old half built projects around aisa have been restarted and finished but most are still there as a constant reminder of what happens when there is too much growth and speculation on propery.

the USA situation is a little different as it is small single home not 50 story building so others may buy these small homes and finish them or just remove them and build a huge apartment building instead but like in asia it could take 10 years before anything happens.
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Re: new ghost towns of the West

Unread postby savethehumans » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 21:57:52

Emerson, I LOVE your avi! That's such a cute kitten! :-D

Gee, so the housing bubble has burst. What a shocking surprise! NOT.

Happy holidays, realtors and homeowners with refinanced mortgages! :evil:
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Re: new ghost towns of the West

Unread postby auscanman » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 22:24:20

I took a course this past term 'Land Use Planning and Local Government Law' which showed how massive the urban sprawl industry truly is. A broad cross-section of individuals earn their living through this industry: lawyers, municipal officials, builders, surveyors, masons, lumberjacks, etc. The law relating to this field has developed to be incredibly (and needlessly) complex with lots of red tape, making it one of the most lucrative fields of law to go into.

As the only industry left that actually makes anything in North America, if it falls it won't be pretty (even if like me you view urban sprawl as being undesirable).

I maintain that if governments open the floodgates to immigration a faltering housing market can be propped up. More people= more competition for housing, and people are willing to go into a lot of debt to put a roof over their head. If the US housing crash starts to take effect here in Canada the first response I'd expect is a large increase in our annual immigrant intake... meanwhile quality of life and wealth will be further eroded.
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