[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'I')m telling u we DO NOT NEED anymore people in this country if you want your kids to have a life besides fighting for resources. When are these loony one worlders going to realize this? The kingpins are at the top of pyrimid and they need slaves. The loony pro immigration fanatics have zero clue and I believe have the IQ of a turd. Zero understanding of consequences and long term understanding. The pro immigration humans are just palying right into the hands of the people they rant against. The kingpins are like Thank u very much for your stupidity! Hahaha! : - (

[Shadizar]

As others have said before the shortage is a joke.

The goal of corporations is profit (for various reasons). The fact is corporations in the U.S. can import workers CHEAPER (and as skilled workers ) from overseas.

Why pay an empoyee 70k when you can pay them 50k? No reason. The idea of shortages in the U.S. is fallacious imo. There may be a shortfall, but not to the degree that requires importation of workers at the degree that we do.

In the end we can't compete, and thats the problem.

-Shadizar

[eric_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shadizar', 'A')s others have said before the shortage is a joke.

The goal of corporations is profit (for various reasons). The fact is corporations in the U.S. can import workers CHEAPER (and as skilled workers ) from overseas.

Why pay an empoyee 70k when you can pay them 50k? No reason. The idea of shortages in the U.S. is fallacious imo. There may be a shortfall, but not to the degree that requires importation of workers at the degree that we do.

In the end we can't compete, and thats the problem.

-Shadizar

[Aimrehtopyh]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MOCKBA', 'T')his is simply not true! I remember about 10 years ago I had to drive to the bank to deposit money, and then those companies had been sending me paper that postman had to drive in for me to discard. I don't do any of that anymore and ain't it a "way to make our use of the resources more efficient"?

Then again, me and my buddies knocked off couple pennies of the cost of a lb of poultry for our comrades in China, Russia, etc by introducing the power of computers to US poultry farmers, why wouldn't that be more efficient use of resources when one food trader could do the volume of what it used to take 3?

And these days I am doing yet another gig when once we are up and running for a while a whole office floor in one prime office building would be replaced by a room the size of my livingroom. How more efficient should we go?

[ClassicSpiderman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', 'I')'d agree with this. Especially with the glut of CS grads where I live. There's a 'crippling shortage' of fools willing to do the nasty business of system administration for less than 25K a year - that's the real problem. Hence the need to import people that will work for peanuts, or simply wholesale these jobs offshore if possible.

[Tyler_JC]

Umm, this website wouldn't exist without IT.

Information would still be housed in Book Temples instead of freely available from my home PC.

I can read books that aren't printed on paper and shipped to my local book store where I drive out to purchase them.

I can talk to people and organize online meetings. Before IT, I would have had to call a dozen people and then fly them into Boston. Talk about a waste of fuel!

If you are still hating on I.T., try Teamspeak sometime. It's an amazing program that allows you to do a pretty remarkable thing. Who would ever have imagined that a man in Texas could talk to a woman from California in real time while sending typed messages to each other and linking each other to a plethora of outside information.

The overwhelming majority of America's productivity growth from 1995 on can be attributed to IT.

And yes, there is a HUGE shortage of IT people in my part of the country. If you've ever tried to get computer repair people in Massachusetts, you'll know what I'm talking about. It takes 4 days for them to even start to look at your PC. And if you have a "major" computer network like my mother's home office, forget it.

Good help is so hard to find...

I say let them in. Or at least let one of them come in for every 50 unskilled laborers from Central America we kick out.

[eric_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClassicSpiderman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', 'I')'d agree with this. Especially with the glut of CS grads where I live. There's a 'crippling shortage' of fools willing to do the nasty business of system administration for less than 25K a year - that's the real problem. Hence the need to import people that will work for peanuts, or simply wholesale these jobs offshore if possible.

[Aimrehtopyh]

I'm definitely not a hater of I.T. I'm just sick of hearing "IT fix everything, IT make jobs for everybody, IT make world smaller and more democratic, IT is the one and only path to spiritual happiness..." etc. etc.

During my short life I've seen the slow withering death of one round of rose-spectacled futurism. As a grade-schooler they had me believing that I (or maybe my children) would be living like george fricking jetson. Now I have this to look forward to.

Pardon me as I kindly sidestep your industry propaganda remembering that Pan Am once had tickets to the moon for sale.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClassicSpiderman', 'S')o yeah, that's why I.T. companies love to hire people from third world countries--they're grateful to have a job--any job.

[Kingcoal]

What we need more of in this country is more young single women. There are plenty of IT guys out there; they just need a good devoted lady at home. The average IT geek goes home to his bachelor pad, drinks beer until unconscious and gets up and goes to work the next day and repeats the next night.