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Re: Are the insurgents evil?

Unread postby BlisteredWhippet » Thu 30 Nov 2006, 22:34:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlisteredWhippet', '
')Or perhaps pumping their veins with Morphine bought with some of the donation money.


From what I've read, at least some people were given painkillers.

Nazis & god

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n Mein Kampf, Hitler makes an emotional appeal to God to aid him and his Nazis in their divine task: "Then, from the child's story-book to the last newspaper in the country, and every theatre and cinema, every pillar where placards are posted and every free space on the hoardings should be utilized in the service of this one great mission, until the faint-hearted cry, "Lord, deliver us," which our patriotic associations send up to Heaven to-day would be transformed into an ardent prayer: 'Almighty God, bless our arms when the hour comes. ' " Later, when Nazi troops swarmed over Europe, each of them wore an army-issue belt buckle inscribed with the words "God is With Us".


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlisteredWhippet', '
')But did she? Naw. She showed up as "God's wife" to do a simple fuckin' job millions of nurses do every day for much less notoriety. (Although they are paid well...)


From what I've read, nurses generally do a much more thorough job. What Mother Theresa was up to was the most basic level of care. But then, nobody was doing it at all before her.


Well... ok.

But I think its interesting that he defends Christianity by the exceptions. Thats like swearing your car is a good one because it only starts 1% of the time.
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Re: Are the insurgents evil?

Unread postby gego » Thu 30 Nov 2006, 22:50:37

Who was more evil, Hitler or Stalin?

The ruthless guy on the other side is always the evil one, along with his false religion and God.

Bush may have killed hundreds of thousands, Sadaam may have killed as many, and who knows about the Taliban or Osama.

Ever consider that they are all evil and the guy working in the gas chamber to save his own butt is just as evil as the guy sniping at the "enemy" or strapping a bomb around his waste.

Maybe you guys voting for the power structure, Democrats/Republicans, are complicit also, since you do it to get what you want at the expense of slavery and death for others.
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Re: Are the insurgents evil?

Unread postby BlisteredWhippet » Fri 01 Dec 2006, 02:57:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', '
')Maybe you guys voting for the power structure, Democrats/Republicans, are complicit also, since you do it to get what you want at the expense of slavery and death for others.


Or what about holders of public stock in companies that profit from war or pollution, etc.? They take profit, but are they responsible?
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Re: Are the insurgents evil?

Unread postby gego » Fri 01 Dec 2006, 03:17:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlisteredWhippet', '
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Or what about holders of public stock in companies that profit from war or pollution, etc.? They take profit, but are they responsible?


If you hire someone to kill someone else, you are equally guilty. I think that if you know what corporate management is doing, do not object, and continue to take your share of the profits, then you are an accomplice. Then you get into the issue of the justification for the war. Were you attacked and just defending yourself, or are you out to capture resources from another territory (grand scale theft).
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Re: Are the insurgents evil?

Unread postby BlisteredWhippet » Sat 02 Dec 2006, 06:58:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '
')From what I've read, nurses generally do a much more thorough job. What Mother Theresa was up to was the most basic level of care. But then, nobody was doing it at all before her.


Christopher Hitchens:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')I would say it was a certainty that millions of people died because of her work, and millions more were made poorer, stupider, more sick, diseased, more fearful and more ignorant.


When you start digging up dirt about "Mother Theresa" this shit starts coming out fast 'n' heavy.
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Re: Are the insurgents evil?

Unread postby threadbear » Sat 02 Dec 2006, 14:59:10

Mother Theresa is quoted as saying it's worth all the suffering of the baby, the grief of the mother and society in general, that a baby should be born and experience just 2 minutes of life and then die. For in that 2 minutes the infant has time to contemplate the glory of God and that is basically the sole purpose of existence, so the being has fulfilled it's purpose in life. Sick, sick, sick.

This is twisted logic and a form of cruelty that seems to know no bounds. What a pig. Life is sacred, but the beast Theresa couldn't see that she was reducing the sacred to a sick fetish.

Organized religion should be banished. Those who wish to practise their preferred form of pronoia should do so in the privacy of their own homes. And I am neither atheist nor wholly agnostic.
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Re: Are the insurgents evil?

Unread postby fireplaceguy » Sat 02 Dec 2006, 21:26:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', ' ')...or strapping a bomb around his waste...

Another reason I like living in the USA - over here it only hits the fan...
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Re: Are the insurgents evil?

Unread postby Chuckmak » Sat 02 Dec 2006, 23:01:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'M')other Theresa is quoted as saying it's worth all the suffering of the baby, the grief of the mother and society in general, that a baby should be born and experience just 2 minutes of life and then die. For in that 2 minutes the infant has time to contemplate the glory of God and that is basically the sole purpose of existence, so the being has fulfilled it's purpose in life. Sick, sick, sick.


wow that's really f*cked up. *smh*
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Re: Are the insurgents evil?

Unread postby DesertBear2 » Sun 03 Dec 2006, 05:10:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlisteredWhippet', '
')The "Good News" of the New Testament is all about forgiveness.


Forgiveness for whom? Surely not for members of other tribes. We are talking here about forgiveness between members of the Jewish tribe in order to maintain solidarity in the face of the Roman occupier.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlisteredWhippet', ' ')If only a Christian would live the Christian ethic.


They certainly do. The bible is the most violent book ever written. And he history of christian civilization is one long unending chain of wars with a few periods of peace interjected- usually out of pure exhaustion.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BlisteredWhippet', 'B')ush is a Christian. Bush believes he talks to God. Who is to say he does not?


I say he does not- as does any other rational person who can think clearly.
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Re: Are the insurgents evil?

Unread postby nemo » Sun 10 Dec 2006, 06:44:18

Regarding the evilness of the insurgents:
I found this "code of silence" six part propaganda film on youtube that for me at least shed some light on who some of these guys are (I guess they come in all stripes). If you can stand the obnoxious narrator, there are things to be learned regarding their MO.
In part five, they get all A-team on a taxicab - not to be missed. I find the weaponization of consumer electronics to be significant.

When this war kicked off, I though the maturity of camcorder and internet technology would lead to a flood of citizen video journalism coming from Iraq. This has not happpened in the way I thought it would, so as a thinking person trying to grasp what's going on over there, I find that my best option is to sift through propaganda from both sides, as reality must be somewhere in between.
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Re: Are the insurgents evil?

Unread postby 0mar » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 07:36:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nemo', 'R')egarding the evilness of the insurgents:
I found this "code of silence" six part propaganda film on youtube that for me at least shed some light on who some of these guys are (I guess they come in all stripes). If you can stand the obnoxious narrator, there are things to be learned regarding their MO.
In part five, they get all A-team on a taxicab - not to be missed. I find the weaponization of consumer electronics to be significant.

When this war kicked off, I though the maturity of camcorder and internet technology would lead to a flood of citizen video journalism coming from Iraq. This has not happpened in the way I thought it would, so as a thinking person trying to grasp what's going on over there, I find that my best option is to sift through propaganda from both sides, as reality must be somewhere in between.


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Re: Are the insurgents evil?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 14:46:19

looks like the boys should be watching out for video cameras!
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Re: Are the insurgents evil?

Unread postby gego » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 15:59:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nemo', '
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When this war kicked off, I though the maturity of camcorder and internet technology would lead to a flood of citizen video journalism coming from Iraq. This has not happpened in the way I thought it would, so as a thinking person trying to grasp what's going on over there, I find that my best option is to sift through propaganda from both sides, as reality must be somewhere in between.


I watched an hour long show last night about a US Marine sniper in Iraq. He said that the news here is not reporting what is really going on; propaganda by omission, I guess you might say.
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Re: Are the insurgents evil?

Unread postby nemo » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 16:19:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('0mar', '
')If the roles were reversed, you'd be the one rigging IEDs on the roadside.

Not likely - I'm just not suited for that kind of work. I once had an army captain tell me that even though I was a good soldier by the metrics they applied, I "lacked killer instinct", and I think he was right. I'm just a pansy-ass softie who tries to love my fellow man. Then again I guess vengefulness can be a powerful motivator, so maybe that could change. I hope it never does.

These Iraqi kids on the other hand are pretty bad-ass. Even if their little jihadi laptop conference gatherings in the video look rather dumb, I think their actions speak for themselves. Anyone who attacks the most powerful fighting force in history is brave in my book, even if their tactics are backstabbing hit-and-run ambushes (read "smart"). However, brave does not equate not evil. I don't think blowing people up is constructive, even if said people are highly unpopular foreign occupiers. I do think taking pot shots at Americans will get the young insurgent mad street cred and possibly some pussy. This I think is an important driving force for many of these RPG-toting young'uns - it's simply their claim to fame. I also think there's a minority of truly evil Quran thumpers who for some reason think God is truly on their side. These guys scare me (they scare me wearing suits and thumping Bibles too), but I don't think they're the trigger men of the IED:s.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', '
')I watched an hour long show last night about a US Marine sniper in Iraq. He said that the news here is not reporting what is really going on; propaganda by omission, I guess you might say.


Name of show - or better yet a torrent link - would be much appreciated (if the show was any good that is).
There are some good docus featuring US soldiers. "Occupation Dreamland" and "the War Tapes" come to mind as being among the better ones. Calling them objective would be stupid, as there is no such thing, but it felt like I got just a whiff of reality from them.
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Re: Are the insurgents evil?

Unread postby rogerhb » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 17:23:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nemo', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('0mar', 'I')f the roles were reversed, you'd be the one rigging IEDs on the roadside.
Not likely - I'm just not suited for that kind of work. I once had an army captain tell me that even though I was a good soldier by the metrics they applied, I "lacked killer instinct", and I think he was right.


There is a huge difference in motivation between invading another country and defending your own.

However, as an idea, compare Iraq with Vichy France.
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Re: Are the insurgents evil?

Unread postby gego » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 17:27:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nemo', '
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Name of show - or better yet a torrent link - would be much appreciated (if the show was any good that is).
There are some good docus featuring US soldiers. "Occupation Dreamland" and "the War Tapes" come to mind as being among the better ones. Calling them objective would be stupid, as there is no such thing, but it felt like I got just a whiff of reality from them.


On MSNBC "For God and Country, a Sniper's story".

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16096369/
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Re: Are the insurgents evil?

Unread postby rogerhb » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 17:46:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', 'O')n MSNBC "For God and Country, a Sniper's story".


Doesn't have the same ring as "God, Queen and Country". :)

How about "For God, Moronic Chickenhawk President and Country"?

Or "For Oil, Wall Street and Hypocrisy"?
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Re: Are the insurgents evil?

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 17:50:12

how about "keeping the lights on"
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Re: Are the insurgents evil?

Unread postby gego » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 17:54:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '
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Doesn't have the same ring as "God, Queen and Country". :)

How about "For God, Moronic Chickenhawk President and Country"?

Or "For Oil, Wall Street and Hypocrisy"?


I didn't write the title; just watched the show, but I do like your alternative titles.
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Re: Are the insurgents evil?

Unread postby Eli » Wed 13 Dec 2006, 18:25:21

I was talking to a guy who had just got back from Iraq. He said that news reports are way too negative and everything is getting better over there. Ha Ha! not really he said it sucks and is a hell hole.

The guy I was talking to said that many things are already being run by Syrians and Iranians. He was pissed off too because he saw his own commander payoff a known insurgent in exchange for info on an area. They wanted to know how hot an area was because they were supposed to take a Colonel on a fact finding tour.

He said it was friggin mess and if you went out of the base on patrol you were bound to be hit be an ied eventually.

The guy that blew up the 70 guys looking for work yesterday might have been evil.

I think Vietnam is a poor comparison. In Vietnam there was the North and the South, in Iraq there is a whole hodgepodge of forces fighting it out.
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