[Ayoob]

It is now time to resume drinking. Mere tidbits of evil until now, but it has become Clear.

There will be no more Mc Donald's hamburgers.

Ever.

This is OK by me, I don't particularly care for them. Also, I cannot envision a world without Mc Donald's hamburgers.

I will be obsolete technology as I am today, as will my entire family.

Tomorrow Ayoob 2.0 will emerge from its hung over stupor and begin training for a marathon. No further mention of Ayoob is necessary. Ayoob is molting, as it were.

Thankfully, this will also be a world free of Scientology, and of Democrats. And Best Buy. There will be no more Best Buy. That's OK too. I will not drink Kona coffee anymore. It's too expensive anyway, and Colombian is better. Heresy, I know, but dammit it's TRUE! [/copernicus]

There will be no more Evan Williams bourbon.

There will, however, be Ayoob 2.0 vodka made from homegrown taters in a still. Yes, there will be hooch.

There will NOT be infrared wireless mice, bowling alleys, Freemasons (you never know, though), antivirus software, traffic, timecards, retirement, Janet Jackson's titties, socks, Battle.net, zoos, lawyers, Juicy track suits, high heels, omigod the Pill is going to be gone omigod, Ozzfest, Asian immigrants, Haitians altogether, PayPal, nobody will be able to quote The Big Lebowski in 50 years, and there will be no Lojack.

There will not be 80" plasma HDTV's playing Monday Night Football anymore. You will not drink Stroh's at Zimwe Piwo on Lincoln Avenue.

That's pronounced Zhimnay Peevo, and it's Polish for Cold Beer, by the way.

You will not order a double double animal style.

You will not be complaining about the next shitty Metallica album.

You will not accumulate Frequent Flier miles.

The TPS reports will not have cover sheets.

You will not "vote."

You will not order a Croissant.

You will have a knife and you will know how to sharpen it. You will have an intimate relationship with the land you occupy. You will know all of your neighbors and who each one is related to. You will look at the sky to see what time it is.

Carpet will be an artifact.

Archaeologists will study the holes in your skull and postulate various possible ways you met your demise, and will measure the teethmarks on your femur to determine whether you were eaten by man or beast.

The archaeologist will not be using a microscope.

Alice in Chains will not have a reunion tour in 2020. The Rolling Stones may, though. I believe that all members of the Rolling Stones are immortal. They're pickled.

You will not hail a cab.


Kenneth Deffeyes will be skinny.

Politics will consist of banging your spear against your shield when it's time to defend your pitiful stand of beans from the Intruders.

What else will you do or not do?

[Guest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'W')hat else will you do or not do?

[savethehumans]

McDonald's hamburgers are bad for you, anyway!

Uh, how are you going to get ahold of Colombian coffee? Colombia is a long, lonnnnnnnnnnng way away from here! And no more mass deliveries! (But if you get some, invite me over! I can't envision a world without coffee! )

One thing's sure: Lance Armstrong will always have a job! After Peak, it won't be the pony express delivering mail--it'll be the BICYCLE express!

I will miss computers most--I love posting! But I guess a community spirit will more than compensate, should I be one of the lucky survivors!

Oh, and vanilla cokes, and cherry cokes, and pizza, and my favorite TV show, and movie popcorn, and A/C, and Web news, and newspapers, and...gee, this is depressing! I'll stop, now!

[Colorado-Valley]

I'm buying a farm in Costa Rica where I will raise my own coffee -- when I'm not busy hanging around tropical waterfalls and hiking through cloud forests and stuff.

I think I'll just pass on this peak-oil thing.

[Carrie]

You forgot:

You will not watch crappy reality tv shows.

You will not read headlines whenever Britney Spears or Paris Hilton blows their nose.

I will become a wealthy coffee trader, traveling along the great "Coffee Road" to South America & back with my trusty llama.

[trespam]

Go to sleep Ayoob. And when you awake, you will find that it has all been a bad dream. There is no peak oil, the earth is flat, "substitution" is available for less than $2.00 a gallon, and yes, last but not least, there is a Santa Clause.

And one other thing: Mocha Java coffee rules my man. Don't forget it.

What Marathon? LA in March?

[Ayoob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('trespam', 'G')o to sleep Ayoob. And when you awake, you will find that it has all been a bad dream. There is no peak oil, the earth is flat, "substitution" is available for less than $2.00 a gallon, and yes, last but not least, there is a Santa Clause.

And one other thing: Mocha Java coffee rules my man. Don't forget it.

What Marathon? LA in March?

[bentstrider]

No microscopes? No watches? No pizza?
All this shit was around way before humanity became oil's bitch.
Galileo and others made telescopes back in the 1500's.
Wind up watches were around since the early 1800's.
Pizza is essentially flour, cheese from the cows, and tomatoes.
And there's still going to be computers. With all the wasted plastic that gets tossed out, the recycling business will be booming.
As is the bio-fuel industries that will provide bi-weekly based transport of these materials to the respective facilities.
I could still see the railroads operating in the future, but they too will be working around scheduled, once-every-two week runs.
Horses would be the primary way for law enforcement to get around, but there should still be radios. As well as alloted bio-fuel for a mini-gun equipped helicopter to mow down the ever-present barbarianists should they rear their ugly heads.
As far as electrical grids, those would all be localized to the regions.
And we should also have another form of limited fuel to do wireless sattelite repair with in space, but thats what space-travel would be limited too. And it's not like you have to constantly go up there everyday to make sure it's working.
I could pretty much envision humnity surviving quite well, it's just that most people will have to kick wanderlust to the curb.
Unless of course they care to wait two weeks for the next train to arrive.
Or hitch a ride with of the few people who fuel their own personal aircraft.
Or get a bio-diesel motorcycle and speed off into the sunset if you hate the area you live and really need to get away.
But, really, all forms of keeping in cotact worldwide will be conducted through wireless communication. Travelling to the area will be a no-no.

[Specop_007]

I'll carry on as usual till its no longer possible.

[bart]

What's that? You say you're calling from the year ought-four and you want to know what it's like now after the Peak? Well, let's see...

I don't have to worry about being laid off, since I'm already laid off.

I don't have to worry about where my food's coming from, since I grow it or I get it from someone nearby. The food is fresh and organic, since fertilizers and sprays cost too much. When we sit down to eat, we always pray, atheists included, since we realize what a miracle food is. We don't have to nag the kids to clean up their plates.

I don't have to get a smog check for the car, pay insurance, or worry about traffic. When I need to haul something, I borrow the community truck that runs on bio-diesel. When I want to see my relatives who live around the Bay, I've got several options:

Sail
Railroad
Hitchhike with the occasional truckers
Bicycle
Walk (it won't kill me; that's how our ancestors got around).

I don't have to worry about being overweight. Fatty food is hard to come by, and daily life requires many more calories than PPO (pre-peak oil).

I don't have to take out the trash. There's no trash. Instead, we go out searching for what people used to consider trash. Pieces of metal, plastic containers, tin cans. Anything we find we can use somehow, or trade.

Sewage isn't a problem. We pour our urine onto the compost heap to give it a jolt of nitrogen. The community outhouses are cleaned out by farmers who pay for the privilege of carting away the humanure. The kids earn extra money by collecting horse manure in buckets and selling it to gardeners.

Water from roofs and paved surfaces is saved in cisterns, since we live in a dry climate. The river is flowing again and the water table is rising, since no one in the hills dares to pump the river dry to water their acres of ornamentals. Wasting water (watercrime) is a serious offense. Repeat offenders are ostracized and even expelled from the community.

Pigeons, snails, and stray animals are no longer seen as problems. Amazing how your tastes change when there's not much protein.

It's no longer against the law to keep animals in city limits. We have rabbits in the hutch outside and some guinea pigs on the floor in the kitchen. If we drop a leaf of lettuce, they scurry from their cubby hole to snatch it.

I don't have to worry about being lonely. I know all the neighbors all too well, since we sit side-by-side in the community toilets. On the other hand, no strangers can make a move inside our neighborhood without 10 pairs of eyes watching them. Young people are always volunteering to go on trading trips -- that's the only way to get away from all the attention. Juvenile delinquency is almost 0.

We don't worry about peak oil anymore. In fact, very few of us think about Big Issues. Why should we? The feds (whatever feds there are left) don't bother us and we don't bother them. We're more concerned with the new baby across the courtyard, and the new variety of fava beans that our brother-in-law gave us.

We don't think much about all the excitement that happened right around the Peak. The Peak didn't happen in one fell swoop, but in dribs and drabs, so anyone with eyes could see what was happening. Most of us hunkered down in our neighborhoods and communities, and started living as our great-grandparents did.

The governments went bankrupt and the whole machinery of empire gradually began to slow down... it's hard to rule the world when you've hungry and have to walk or sail to invade another country.

No, I'm happy where I am. I wouldn't go back.

[skateari]

bart.. that would be a wonderful Post Peak world.. but I dont think its going to be just as peaceful as that, in the case of a soft landing the situation you describe is totaly possible. However at the rate we are going now, there will be no planned communites such as that, and when stuff starts going down the tube, it will be hard to set up such a lifestyle. Why could we not just live like that for centuries, instead of using it all up as fast as we could? I hate the people who are running our country, the ruined the lives of my future children and grandchildren, they ruined my dreams and hopes of the future. A post peak world that you describe would be wonderful compaired to the one i'm envisioning, full of war, starvation and death. I consiter myself a realist, but if we really did start doing something now to prepare, a lifesytle without oil would be possible in small communties.. until then, a hard crash seems almost inevitable

instead of thinking what we will be loosing, look at all the things we will gain,

- we will loose our stressful, unhealthy way of life
-we will become close to nature, other animals, plants, and life
- we will come closer to family, cherish other humans instead of money and objects
-we will depend on ourselves, instead of others for survival
- we will not ruin ourselves with greed and corruption, we will not rot our eyes out watching the TV, we will not eat fat-on-a-bun they call a mcdonalds cheeseburger.
- we will not be faced with the stress of freeway traffic at 6 in the morning, nor the boss nagging about the report I need to do

We will be self reliant, and dependent on ourselves or the ones close to US. We will leave a lot of the rich's that we now have, but the hardest part is leaving them behind. You'll be surprised how easy it is to adapt to change after it happens. Thinking about it, and what you will loose will be the hardest part, and doing so will not help the problem or help you cope with it. Look at the possitive, it gives hope for the future and helps keep the depression to a minimum

[bentstrider]

In the meantime, I'll stick to the job of maintaining the communication grid with the rest of the outside world.
Just because we won't be able to travel as much won't mean the end of talking to people distances away.
As far as I'm concerned, I'll be the lone drifter/cable-line repairer.

[2007]

does peak oil also mean there will be no more Formula 1?

[2007]

does peak oil also mean there will be no more Formula 1?

[Ayoob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bart', 'W')hat's that? You say you're calling from the year ought-four and you want to know what it's like now after the Peak? Well, let's see...

snizzip

No, I'm happy where I am. I wouldn't go back.

[clv101]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('2007', 'd')oes peak oil also mean there will be no more Formula 1?

[2007]

being of peak oil observance I kind'a expected so. Not really been giving energy much of a thought before - now wonder when we'll be missing those barrels burnt to rubber on the tarmacs (not that they make much of a difference). Also wonder what 'reasoning' car companies have for F1 - maybe to develop 'fuel effecient engines'

what about post peak formula-one-biking?

[clv101]

Single best thing that F1 can do for peak oil would be ban in-race fuel stops. This would reward the more efficient engines (carries less fuel, less weight, smaller fuel tanks etc...).

[bentstrider]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('2007', 'b')eing of peak oil observance I kind'a expected so. Not really been giving energy much of a thought before - now wonder when we'll be missing those barrels burnt to rubber on the tarmacs (not that they make much of a difference). Also wonder what 'reasoning' car companies have for F1 - maybe to develop 'fuel effecient engines'

what about post peak formula-one-biking?