[Kylon]

At least some of the West ideals such as feminism will go into decline.

THe consumeristic, politically correct BS, pro-feminist, anti-man culture will either change or die.

Life may even get better (in the long run) for men as things become more decentralized (due to energy requirements).

{Split from topic "Russia sends nuclear bigwig and missiles to Iran" in Energy Geopolitics forum by SPG}

[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'A')t least some of the West ideals such as feminism will go into decline.

THe consumeristic, politically correct BS, pro-feminist, anti-man culture will either change or die.

Life may even get better (in the long run) for men as things become more decentralized (due to energy requirements).

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'A')t least some of the West ideals such as feminism will go into decline.

THe consumeristic, politically correct BS, pro-feminist, anti-man culture will either change or die.

Life may even get better (in the long run) for men as things become more decentralized (due to energy requirements).

[Concerned]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'A')t least some of the West ideals such as feminism will go into decline.

THe consumeristic, politically correct BS, pro-feminist, anti-man culture will either change or die.

Life may even get better (in the long run) for men as things become more decentralized (due to energy requirements).

[americandream]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Concerned', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'A')t least some of the West ideals such as feminism will go into decline.

THe consumeristic, politically correct BS, pro-feminist, anti-man culture will either change or die.

Life may even get better (in the long run) for men as things become more decentralized (due to energy requirements).

[IanC]

Note to Kylon: The best way to advertise that you're a fat, pock-marked, social leper who hasn't gotten any in WAAAAY to long...if ever, is to publicly glorify male dominance and cast aspersions on femininity.

What's the matter, all those hotties not looking your way? You feel like they owe something to you because you're soooooo manly and desireable? Listen, fella, American women get more college degrees than men, go to graduate school more than men, and generally are kicking our asses in a world where WE (men) have written the rules with our fists and cocks for generations. If you're not happy, study harder and get a better job. Geez!

By the way, either this year or next, there will be more women in Medical school than men. Better learn some respect fast before you reach your golden years.

-Grrr.

[lys3rg0]

Although this is far far offtopic (and i expect a split of this debate to "Open Discussion"), there are a few very amusing, if not interresting articles on the male vs female academic achievement situaton on the site fredoneverything.net. You can find most of them at the top of this google search.

Allow me to demonstrate {edited by SPG}:


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')ne hears often now that boys flounder in school, drop out, generally perform less well academically than girls, and don’t go to college. A certain amount of this commentary comes from women who seem quietly to enjoy the spectacle. Given that women control the schools, this might suggest that, if they are not actually causing the problem, neither are they in a hurry to do anything about it. Other people worry that the comparative superabundance of female college graduates will have no one to marry: While men will marry down, women won’t. Regarding all of which:

[Dreamtwister]

As interesting as this all is, exactly what does it have to do with Russia arming Iran?

[lys3rg0]

Absolutely nothing...?! To my defense, i'm not the original author of this thread hijacking, i jumped in the wagon long after it derailed. But that is why we have moderators and phpbb has a split topic function.

[Kylon]

BTW, the reason why I'm pro-male and anti-feminist is simple: I support acquiring more power for my side, and I pursue my own rational self interest.

Women can easily pursue their rational self interest in this society without getting looked down, due to the fact they have won the culture war, using in part tactics that are often employed in cults.

Women progressively seek not "equality" but superiority over males. I don't look down on feminist for doing this (although I severly dislike them, and prefer not to be in their company), as I know they are simply pursuing taking power from someone else in whatever fashion they can in order to give to themselves.

I belief is if you can take power (fairly or unfairly) good for you. However don't be suprised if the other side uses every opportunity to take power and acquire more resources at your expense later.

BTW- I am not what you might call a "manly man", nor do I think that women are interested in me, or should be. Focusing on sexual relationships would deter me from my primary goals. Currently I am focusing on wealth and power, so that when the cost of a relationship goes down, I can enter one with less expenses. To pursue women at this time with their inflated cost I think would be to my disadvantage.

Most marriages currently don't work out and the main initiator of divorce are women. Pursuit of a long term sexual relationship would require me to ultimately get married. Getting married could ultimately lead to me becoming divorced, losing half my stuff, and having to pay alimony to a woman who decides not to work and simply lives with her boyfriend.

If you stay in a marriage on the other hand, the woman demands security. This means you can take less risk, which means you can't acquire wealth as quickly. She would also be more inclined to look down on business practices which would be detrimental to a community. So ultimately you become less competitive in the business world and can accrue less wealth than might have otherwise been possible.

It also means the possibility of children, which in the coming post peak dieoff could not only be disasterous for the child, but also for myself as well.

However, waiting for the full effects of Peak Oil to become mainstream would cause a woman to have to accept less (as the standard of living would be lowered) and be unwilling to have offspring. That also means those of us with assets (and assets that are growing by the day) would become much more valuable. This means it could be easier to get a prenup and easier to get in a relationship period.

[Kylon]

Don't worry, I probably won't breed.

The world is over populated as is.


The reason I look at the situation like this is a reaction to the whole feminism thing. Whenever someone or some group starts spouting out how they'd like to see me dead, or how inferior my group is therefore my rights should be stripped, and anybody who shares specific commonalities with me, I generally become defensive.

I have no problem with equality so long as equality means equality and not superiority. I just don't like it when feminist try and rig the system by modifying educational curriculums against men, or make laws that are incredibly biased against men.

I'm not going to do much about it, but I will look after my own interest, and plan and adapt around the situation. As far as waiting for the price of a relationship to go down, all relationships are simply exchanges of one service for another. They obey the principles of economics, and thus in order to get the best deal out of life, I should treat the situation as such. I treat the situation impersonally, but the person personally.

As far as looking at is as an "us vs them" thing, when men collectively do better, that's good for me. Therefore why shouldn't I be happier for things to change in men's favor?

[Ludi]

Kylon, don't you think you would do better if all HUMANS do better, if you are a HUMAN?

[Kylon]

Yes, it would be better if all HUMANS did better. One of the problems is, that it generally doesn't work out that way.

There is only so much space on Earth, and until we get ion propulsion spaceships, zero point energy modules, and replicators so we can build planetary terraformers, I don't think that's going to change.

My biggest concern however, is that once one group of people acquires resources and power, they will use it to dominate another.

It never seems to be egalitarian for very long, just like we can never get a pure libertarian system up and going for very long. Somebody always draws swords and takes territory. Ultimately this means that one group over the long run or another is going to be dominated. It's not good, it's not right, but it's generally what happens.

I'd prefer not to be in the dominated group.

If we could all live in the middle, and there were no special interest groups of any kind, that would be nice. However reality is a little more brutal. There will always be corporations trying to make more money by corrupting the political system and getting undeserved tax brakes and pork barrel projects. There will always be one group trying to use the political system to get more than their fair share of the pie. There will always be political families trying to setup dynasties. There will always be one group trying to oppress, dominate, and strip away the rights of another group. If the system is going to be biased in one way or the other, why not have it biased in favor of you?


In a perfect world we could all lay down our arms, but the world isn't perfect, and it never will be.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'K')ylon, don't you think you would do better if all HUMANS do better, if you are a HUMAN?

[Ludi]

You live in a very different world than I do, Kylon. I don't experience this competition you seem to; never have. I guess I'm kind of sorry for you, and hope you never express these thoughts to your peers, if you hope to become wealthy and powerful, because, as others have indicated, they put an enormous LOSER stamp on your forehead, in screaming neon.

[Loki]

Ludi, I can sympathize a bit with Kylon, though I find his quest for wealth and power to be distasteful. I've been in academia for most of my adult life and have discovered to my dismay that the gender war is front and center in my fields (history and geography). Despite the fact that the majority of college students are female, there are still an abundance of female-only scholarships, organizations, conferences, etc. It's definitely been my experience that some (though not all) feminists see academic achievement as a zero-sum game, and they're doing everything they can to "win" the game. Some women in my field have even devoted their entire career to denigrating men---I had one prof who apparently thought it necessary to insert the term "phallocentric" into every lecture. These ideologues believe that men are the oppressors, and the oppressed (i.e., anyone with a vagina) should do everything they can to undermine the "patriarchy." It's basically Marxism without the economics.

I recently had a nice little taste of this when I found out a junior female colleague of mine had scored a job that I am clearly more qualified for. This was in a research group that is female dominated and has never had a male researcher as far as I know. I don't have the right gear apparently, despite knowing more about the subject than anyone in the group.

I find the whole thing absurd and self-destructive. Just one of the many reasons I have a burning desire to get the hell out of academia, where such ridiculous (and unnecessary) social conflicts are magnified because the devotion to ideology is much more intense than in the "real world." This nonsense is not really the main reason I'm planning on leaving academia, but it has definitely given me a push out the door.

[SinisterBlueCat]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', '
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BTW- I am not what you might call a "manly man", nor do I think that women are interested in me, or should be. Focusing on sexual relationships would deter me from my primary goals. Currently I am focusing on wealth and power, so that when the cost of a relationship goes down, I can enter one with less expenses. To pursue women at this time with their inflated cost I think would be to my disadvantage.

Most marriages currently don't work out and the main initiator of divorce are women. Pursuit of a long term sexual relationship would require me to ultimately get married. Getting married could ultimately lead to me becoming divorced, losing half my stuff, and having to pay alimony to a woman who decides not to work and simply lives with her boyfriend.

If you stay in a marriage on the other hand, the woman demands security. This means you can take less risk, which means you can't acquire wealth as quickly. She would also be more inclined to look down on business practices which would be detrimental to a community. So ultimately you become less competitive in the business world and can accrue less wealth than might have otherwise been possible.

It also means the possibility of children, which in the coming post peak dieoff could not only be disasterous for the child, but also for myself as well.

However, waiting for the full effects of Peak Oil to become mainstream would cause a woman to have to accept less (as the standard of living would be lowered) and be unwilling to have offspring. That also means those of us with assets (and assets that are growing by the day) would become much more valuable. This means it could be easier to get a prenup and easier to get in a relationship period.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SinisterBlueCat', 'w')hy does this post make me think of this...

[Kylon]

Thank you Gideon for trying to defend me, however I don't think that Ludi was saying that I was a loser.

I believe she was saying other people will think I'm a loser if I try and talk to them about this issue. She wasn't insulting me, she was simply stating what she thought the response would be by others.

I have actually been able to converse quite politely with other males about this subject. It's only when females are around that males become all pro-feminist. They generally do this in order to try and raise their image in front of women and show that they aren't anti-feminist. The same logic applies for women as well. Many women prefer not to talk about feminism around men because we dislike hearing about it, and it ruin's their image. They may talk about it when they are with other women but they try not to talk about it (the majority) while their around men. That's why you never talk about men's rights around women, except on the internet, or in very, very closed circles (such as specific religious groups).

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'I') have actually been able to converse quite politely with other males about this subject. It's only when females are around that males become all pro-feminist.