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Great economic article

Unread postby Armageddon » Wed 22 Nov 2006, 23:37:48

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Re: Great economic article

Unread postby Armageddon » Thu 23 Nov 2006, 11:49:21

I have a 450,000 house paid off, and I am not going to sell it no matter what. Im sure if I sold it now, I could buy one similar for alot less a few years, but I am not going to do that. Money isnt that important to me . Security and happiness is the key to my life. This article makes very strong points to the economic crises looming in the very near future.
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Re: Great economic article

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 23 Nov 2006, 12:33:49

here's another interesting and informative two-part economics article about the oil markets. I didn't know a lot of this stuff so it was a pretty good read. Basically, the modern fungible markets were invented after the Arab oil embargo of the early 70s. That system worked well for two decades but is now in danger of collapse.

[url=http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HK22Ag01.html]
THE NEW WORLD OIL ORDER, Part 1
Russia attacks the West's Achilles' heel [/url]

[url=http://atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HK23Ag01.html]
THE NEW WORLD OIL ORDER, Part 2
Russia tips the balance[/url]
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Re: Great economic article

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" Recently declassified British government documents from that time reveal that both the US and Britain were actively planning for a seizure of Middle East oilfields, illustrating how intolerable the combined physical and psychological effects of the embargo were. "

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Re: Great economic article

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 23 Nov 2006, 13:05:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', '"') Recently declassified British government documents from that time reveal that both the US and Britain were actively planning for a seizure of Middle East oilfields, illustrating how intolerable the combined physical and psychological effects of the embargo were. "

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yeah, quite an eye-opener. So if the fungible markets collapse and the US and Britian don't have adequate supplies of modern life's blood (oil) what do you guess they will do? say OK, you win?
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Re: Great economic article

Unread postby Armageddon » Thu 23 Nov 2006, 13:17:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'h')ere's another interesting and informative two-part economics article about the oil markets. I didn't know a lot of this stuff so it was a pretty good read. Basically, the modern fungible markets were invented after the Arab oil embargo of the early 70s. That system worked well for two decades but is now in danger of collapse.

[url=http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HK22Ag01.html]
THE NEW WORLD OIL ORDER, Part 1
Russia attacks the West's Achilles' heel [/url]

[url=http://atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/HK23Ag01.html]
THE NEW WORLD OIL ORDER, Part 2
Russia tips the balance[/url]



The US won the first part of the cold war by influencing Saudi Arabia to flood the markets with cheap oil , which resulted in the Russian economy to collapse. But , Russia could win part two of the cold war by changing the current oil markets and how they are structured which greatly benefits the US. If they keep promoting bi-lateral selling of oil, instead of the current global selling, this could be catastraphic to the US and the petro dollar. This is their current plan.
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Re: Great economic article

Unread postby Armageddon » Thu 23 Nov 2006, 13:26:46

With the huge growing eastern economies, large oil producing countries could sell their oil directly to these growing counties, leaving the US and their 60 % importing oil need left in the dark. We can Chavez and Iran already starting to do this. This is devestating news for the US. The US will NEVER leave Iraq because they know the importance of that oil.
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Re: Great economic article

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Thu 23 Nov 2006, 13:30:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', '
')The US won the first part of the cold war by influencing Saudi Arabia to folod the markets with cheap oil , which resulted in the Russian economy to collapse. But , Russia could win part two of the cold war by changing the current oil markets and how they are structured which greatly benefits the US. If they keep promoting bi-lateral selling of oil, instead of the current global selling, this could be catastraphic to the US and the petro dollar. This is their current plan.
right, except that the gist of the article seems to be that it was the fungible market, not Saudi Arabia, that caused the market prices to fall. Don't forget that the North Sea and Akaska came online in the 80s as well. Apparently, it's a good global supply picture that makes for the fungible open market scheme to work. Scarcity will work better for the direct long-term contract scenario; that's the picture that emerges from this thought provoking article.
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Re: Great economic article

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Herberg went on to make the case that China's three main state-owned oil companies (National Petroleum Corp, China Petroleum and Chemical Corp and China National Offshore Oil Corp) alone, by the latest data and estimates available more than a year ago, "have managed to establish control over about 300 mb/d [million barrels a day] of crude production, which could reach up to 600 mb/d by 2008".

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Re: Great economic article

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('armegeddon', 'H')erberg went on to make the case that China's three main state-owned oil companies (National Petroleum Corp, China Petroleum and Chemical Corp and China National Offshore Oil Corp) alone, by the latest data and estimates available more than a year ago, "have managed to establish control over about 300 mb/d [million barrels a day] of crude production, which could reach up to 600 mb/d by 2008".

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wtf ?
yeah, odd isn't it? isn't current global usage around 85 million barrels per day?
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Re: Great economic article

Unread postby Armageddon » Thu 23 Nov 2006, 14:14:13

yes. He must either have his facts wrong, or it's a typo. That number would even be too high if it was yearly, much less daily. lol
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