[Zardoz]

He's been hanging around the White House quite a bit, lately. Perhaps that's why Dubya has dropped the "stay the course" crap.

Kissinger: Victory no longer possible in Iraq

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')If you mean by 'military victory' an Iraqi government that can be established and whose writ runs across the whole country, that gets the civil war under control and sectarian violence under control in a time period that the political processes of the democracies will support, I don't believe that is possible," he told the British Broadcasting Corp.

[dukey]

"Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy."

-Henry Kissinger

[rogerhb]

My theory is the US treated the Iraqis as the vanquished rather than the liberated.

[DesertBear2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'H')e's been hanging around the White House quite a bit, lately.

[Kingcoal]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', '"')Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy."

-Henry Kissinger

[Revi]

The fat lady has sung. I wonder when we start to disentangle ourselves? It will not be pretty. I have a feeling that if we step out, somebody else will step in. It's too big a prize to leave unguarded. 100 billion possible barrels. Worth too much. Can the UN hold it? Maybe. We'll take a hit to our standard of living, that's for sure if we pull out. Why isn't our fearless leader getting us ready for the transition? Maybe start a conservation propgram now, so it's not so painful when the transition comes? At least see if we can get by on 3 million barrels less.

[eastbay]

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Military

Kingcoal.... check it out. Typical sneering and condescending Kissinger.

[kam30en]

This guy needs to get beat with a bat.

[Eli]

The UN? you have to be kidding. The UN is inept and lacks the fire power and training to put down an all out insurgency.

The smurfs go in once most of the shooting stops otherwise they are useless. You send the UN in when you need some stooge to sit on a border somewhere and drink Chi Tea all day.

What is going to happen is what is already happening. Amernihasinfefernijad over in Iran is getting together with the Syrians to decided how to divide Iraq up and stop the fighting.

The Country will be dominated by Syria in the West and the Iranians will have there little slice down in the south and east. And the Kurds will be up there in the North where they have always been.

The Syrians and Iranians acting together could stop the civil war. If they did that then the Americans would be forced to leave.

[NEOPO]

kam is one confused zionist....

"WINNING IN IRAQ NO LONGER AN OPITION" SAYS HENRY KISSINGER

[AgentR]

Chinese peace keepers, March, 2009.

[zoidberg]

They're going to trash the oil wells so no-one can utilize it for 10 years if they're forced to pull out. You think Saddam was bad? Boys you aint seen nothing yet.

Best part is those barrels aint going anywhere. Maybe the whole Iraq thing was a clever resource conservation plan.

[DesertBear2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zoidberg', '
')Best part is those barrels aint going anywhere.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'T')he smurfs go in once most of the shooting stops otherwise they are useless. You send the UN in when you need some stooge to sit on a border somewhere and drink Chi Tea all day.

[Eli]

Rog would or would you not agree that the UN lacks the weaponry and the trained forces to put down the current Iraqi civil war? Even if there was a desire to go in the UN is completely incapable of doing so. It would take all the national armies of Europe and then some to put down the current violence. And we all know the Europeans have no interest in doing any such thing.

But on the other note, I completely agree that the US has totally screwed the pooch in Iraq. We have made the country completely FUBAR.

I don't think there is a need to speculate that the destruction of Iraq was some how planned and is part of some kind of conspiracy by the US. The simple answer that a combination of extreme arrogance and ignorance has led the US into making one of the worst strategic errors in recent history. I remember after 9/11 the US populace gave George Bush and Rumsmfeld a blank check to combat the forces aligned against us.

GB and Rummy basically pissed every bit of goodwill they had away on a very ill conceived war.

[Zardoz]

The bloodbath continues to worsen:

Iraqi death toll hits record high

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Iraqi death toll hit a record high in October, with more than 3,700 people losing their lives in the ongoing violence, according to a UN report.

The majority of the 3,709 people who died were killed in sectarian attacks - nearly 200 more than in the previous record month of July.

[zoidberg]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesertBear2', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zoidberg', '
')Best part is those barrels aint going anywhere.

[Zardoz]

Straight talk from The Man:

Top Marine Says Corps Stretched Too Thin

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')Artillery men are not training artillery," he said, noting that the Marine Corps has essentially stopped full-scale, fire-and-maneuver exercises. Almost all the training now focuses on counterinsurgency, preparing Marines for Iraq. Jungle and mountain training has also suffered, Conway said, making the Marines less prepared to fight the next war.

If there were another emergency in the world, Conway said, "We are not as capable today as we were in 2001."

[DesertBear2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zoidberg', '
')The US simply wont leave peacefully or rapidly. At this point its strategic suicide. I think Kissinger is feeling his age and is losing his animal spirits.