[nowanda]

hello to everybody. i would like firstly to introduse my self. i am 25 years old and coming from Greece. i am anarchist and artist. i strongly believe that this world is going straight ahead to hell. everyday i am trying to find out the ways and means that could stop this crazy ride of modern civilazation towards destruction and death. i know offcourse that the situation is not easy, especially for the people that dont want just to reform, and make living more tollerant but try to reclame all the aspects of their life and build a society without authority. through out free expression and interactive projects i try to communicate my ideas with everybody. since i have understand that art can not be seperated from everyday life i try to develop the art of living free. allthow i have grow up in the country side of greece and have avoid in my chilhood the madness of the big city, i feel that the knowledjes that i have gain as it concerns building with natural materials, cultivating biologically, using non hostile for the environment forms of energy and generally living a life in peace and colaboration with nature instead fighting mother earth and killing her every day, (with my ignorance or in purpose.) are very limited. we have loose the "know how" that was essential in the preindustrial world and by this we have become hostages of a complexe and chaotic net of services that keeps us far away from controlling our life by been autonomous. i know that a lot of people shear the same anxieties and have similar point of view. if there are projects of ecovillages ,farms, collectives or groups that running on and are working on the structure of a society based on social ecology and direct democracy i would like to know and come in contact with them.

[Ptarmigan]

There are many ecovillages in Europe and the rest of the world.
All of them are going in a different direction than cornucopians.
Some of the villages are more "ecological" than others some are more "spiritual", some are more "radical" and so on
One could just move in to the first which would accept you and you would be a lot more "anarchoprimitivist" than living in a city....
But best thing would be to visit a couple of them and then choose...

I am interested in organizing a Bus-tour for a month around Europe (2007), visiting Ecovillages, communitys, strawbale construction-sites.

Here is a link to a book which describes such villages around Eu:

http://www.evnuk.org.uk/

[smallpoxgirl]

I just have to point out the irony of looking for anarcho-primativists on the internet.

[Ptarmigan]

Well Smallpoxgirl I tried this out in the woods :
"we're an anarchosyndicalist commune, we take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer. But all the decisions by that officer must be approved at a bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs but a two-thirds majority ..."

out there by my self in the woods.....

you do have a point . Internet is far from primitivism but I wouldn't know of hunting and gathering and schools teaching Survival skills if I would live totally offline. Now I am confident that one can learn to live in the wilderness indefinetly but it takes time to learn.
One day in time I will forget about my past life and become a troll foreverafter.

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I') just have to point out the irony of looking for anarcho-primativists on the internet.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ptarmigan', 'W')ell Smallpoxgirl I tried this out in the woods :

[Heineken]

The individual can experience true anarchy only in relative isolation, not in organized groups.

So, that's another logical inconsistency to add to SPG's.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')he individual can experience true anarchy only in relative isolation, not in organized groups.

[Heineken]

Noted. Obviously I'm not up on the terminology in this area.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'N')oted. Obviously I'm not up on the terminology in this area.

[Heineken]

Thanks for this glossary, SPG.

Anarcho-syndicalism, from your definition, resembles communism. (I assume the "anarcho" component derives from the "seizing.")

I belong to a delicate blend of the other three categories.

[nowanda]

hello there again. thanks for the information, they were really usefull for me get a first idea about the running projects. as about the bus tour that you are planning to organize i would like to know some more and if i can to help.
...as about the comment for the antifasis of looking for anarchoprimitivist projects through out internet i have to say that i can not really understand the basis of the argument. in my point of view we all leave in the same wicked world that the "rules of the game" are forced on us. it would be at least hypocritical from my side to declare now and hear my total denial to this world and play the role of the dogmatic and "clean" anarchist. for me anarchoprimitivism, anarchoindividualism, anarchosyndicalism,anarchocommunism, anarchocollectivism and in general all the different forms of fight that the anarchist moovement has choose to perform in different periods of history are taking considered as equally interesting attempts of build a new society and i take in mind both the advantages and disadvantages of each theory and the reflections on the wider net of society. i think that the polemics between the different tences of anarchism are not so helpfull as somebody could believe in first look. they do not express the polymorfity of the anarcists but rather a big lac of understanding of the main moto of anarchy as an open political, philosophical,esthetical and ethical system of values. from my point of view anarchy is an always developing work of art. its not restricted in any camvas and in any colour pallet. it grows up and takes its form among the wills and needs of everybody that is fighting for total freedom.

p.s. i know one thing, that i know nothing (Socrates)

[Aaron]

Took me back to 1975...

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[TheTurtle]

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Name that quote.

[Aaron]

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Name that quote.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'A')narcho-syndicalism, from your definition, resembles communism. (I assume the "anarcho" component derives from the "seizing.")

[Tyler_JC]

I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective...

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'A')narcho-syndicalism, from your definition, resembles communism. (I assume the "anarcho" component derives from the "seizing.")

[MD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '.').....
You are one smart cookie & it's always a pleasure to read your posts...

[mgibbons19]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '.').....
You are one smart cookie & it's always a pleasure to read your posts...