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chances of survival withing small rural community
Re: chances of survival withing small rural community
by oowolf » Thu 16 Nov 2006, 18:29:35
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Re: chances of survival withing small rural community
by DesertBear2 » Thu 16 Nov 2006, 20:21:13
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oowolf', 'T')he Amish do just fine.
The latest incident at PA where Amish children were butchered illustrates would react if the US disintegrated into violence. These folks main reaction was to administer Jesusly forgiveness to the butcher of the little girls.
This is not always a practical option in a world of devastating resource shortages.
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Re: chances of survival withing small rural community
by Ludi » Thu 16 Nov 2006, 20:48:47
Kalinka, I think there are several possible ways to survive; we can't know which will be best. Keep in mind things might not go in the crapper right away, so whatever you choose, make sure it is something you will enjoy even if the "end of the world" doesn't occur. If you want to live in the country, you should go live there, but be prepared for country living, which can be physically hard, and for some people, extremely boring (facinating for others). Not everyone is suited to live in the country, just as not everyone is suited to live in the city. Very few anymore are suited to live in the wilderness. If you're looking for people who want to live in the wilderness, I suggest posting here: ishcon There are also people on there looking to form other kinds of intentional communities.
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Re: chances of survival withing small rural community
by Ludi » Thu 16 Nov 2006, 21:04:38
Here are a few intentional community threads from the planning forum:
Foundation and Oil
Starting a Commune
Forming Communities
Foundation and Oil
Starting a Commune
Forming Communities
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Re: chances of survival withing small rural community
by AgentR » Thu 16 Nov 2006, 21:24:44
I think I'll stick with my crazy redneck friends.
Yes, we are. As we are.
And so shall we remain; Until the end.
And so shall we remain; Until the end.
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Re: chances of survival withing small rural community
by Zardoz » Thu 16 Nov 2006, 21:30:34
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesertBear2', 'T')he latest incident at PA where Amish children were butchered...
...was a random act of psychotic violence perpetrated by an individual who'd been harboring a grudge against little girls for over twenty years over some humiliating childhood incident. It has nothing to do with anything else.
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Re: chances of survival withing small rural community
by TT » Thu 16 Nov 2006, 23:46:21
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') can't speak for other countries, or even all of my own country, but, in my part of the US, small towns of the kind you describe are relatively rare, and small, semi-self-sufficient towns of that kind typically aren't open to "alternative" living but strongly prefer people to live the way they live and to have had family living in the town for several generations. These kinds of towns are usually very conservative, not alternative.
Ludi,
I think that by and large the same is true for most small country towns in Aussie.
My town, and many of the surrounding towns, seem to be different. Most of the original early settlers moved away over the years. There has been a constant change in the local climate over the last 40 years, which has made large scale fruit growing difficult. Also the forestry was stopped which took away a large part of local earnings. They sub-divided their properties and sold it off in lots of 5 to 50 acres. These were bought over the years by people wanting to escape the rat race. The area became known for this, and most locals are quite proud of this reputation.
Most dwellings around here are either mud brick or log cabin construction. Anything other than a wood fire for heating is considered unusual.
I think that over the years people discovered that the 'alternative' lifestyle was sometimes harder than they expected. Also this place is fairly remote, with little entertainment and employment. Many families moved away and sold their properties on to other people who wanted to try.
Therefore, there has been a fairly constant influx of new people into the town, with few of the early settlers remaining. It seems, in this case, it has fostered a more tolerant attitude than one expects in a small town. Also it means that the people that have stayed are more suited to this lifestyle.
One of the 500 acre blocks is now being subdivided, and there have been about 6 new houses built over the last year. This is HUGE for this area. It has been very welcomed by the community as these new families bring children (to keep the school open) and more money into the town.
I lived for some time in a small town in Central Victoria and there you were still considered an outsider after 50 years. It was really hard to be a part of the community in any real way. So I do understand where you are coming from.
I just thought that perhaps there were places like this in other countries, even if they are not the norm. Finding this type of place is ideal for a peak oiler and is a great alternative to a planned community.
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Re: chances of survival withing small rural community
by DesertBear2 » Fri 17 Nov 2006, 00:38:05
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesertBear2', 'T')he latest incident at PA where Amish children were butchered...
...was a random act of psychotic violence perpetrated by an individual who'd been harboring a grudge against little girls for over twenty years over some humiliating childhood incident. It has nothing to do with anything else.
We are quite familiar with the Amish and have considered relocating in areas with strong Amish influence. The Amish have many great qualities that include strong work ethic and a high level of self sufficiency. And it is great to see them use low technology agricultural practices to get the most production out of the soil.
However, they are still very rigid religious fundamentalists who live in very closed communities. Most Amish have never traveled, read broadly in any sense, or lived outside the religious community. It is interesting to talk to some young Amish women- they are often curious about the broader world but complain that they know nothing about it. A non-Amish person would not be able to gain any kind of acceptance among them- a cool business relationship would be the best one could hope for.
And yes, the PA incident was the work of a psychotic. However, there is abundant evidence that the Amish would not defend their communities with arms if the need arose. This is worrisome to people, like myself, who have lived through the 60s racial riots and seen what an angry mob can do- and may do again when the US society hits the downside of peak oil/gas.
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