Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

America's Crippling I.T. Worker Shortage

A forum for discussion of regional topics including oil depletion but also government, society, and the future.

America's Crippling I.T. Worker Shortage

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 12:48:51

Apparently America is suffering a severe shortage of Information Technology workers. The companies listed here are lobbying Congress to increase the number of I.T. workers they can import.

( Article Link )

"They said the need for action sooner than later is especially urgent because U.S. companies exceeded the H-1B quota for the next fiscal year scarcely two months after the application window opened."
Conform . Consume . Obey .
User avatar
TommyJefferson
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1757
Joined: Thu 19 Aug 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Texas and Los Angeles

Re: America's Crippling I.T. Worker Shortage

Unread postby FoxV » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 13:02:48

but under the magnificant virtues of globalization, shouldn't the companies just hire the workers offshore.

I mean why would anyone want to needlessly deal with all that messy immigration stuff. It just so un-american :roll:
Angry yet?
FoxV
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1321
Joined: Wed 02 Mar 2005, 04:00:00
Location: Canada

Re: America's Crippling I.T. Worker Shortage

Unread postby gnm » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 13:18:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FoxV', 'b')ut under the magnificant virtues of globalization, shouldn't the companies just hire the workers offshore.

I mean why would anyone want to needlessly deal with all that messy immigration stuff. It just so un-american :roll:


Don't worry they've got a plan...
outsourcing to a cruise ship

8O
-G
gnm
 

Re: America's Crippling I.T. Worker Shortage

Unread postby Colorado-Valley » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 14:10:06

Why is it we need IT and not, say, more local organic farmers?

javascript:emoticon('8)')
User avatar
Colorado-Valley
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 729
Joined: Mon 16 Aug 2004, 03:00:00

Re: America's Crippling I.T. Worker Shortage

Unread postby JustinFrankl » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 20:11:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Colorado-Valley', 'W')hy is it we need IT and not, say, more local organic farmers?

Uhh, we need all the computer power, uhh, in order to solve the travelling-salesman-problem inherent in the rounding up of all the [s]dissidents[/s] [s]hippies[/s] organic farmers and distribution to [s]detention centers[/s] [s]work camps[/s] farms.

Yeah, that's it.
"We have seen the enemy, and he is us." -- Walt Kelly
JustinFrankl
Tar Sands
Tar Sands
 
Posts: 623
Joined: Mon 22 Aug 2005, 03:00:00

Re: America's Crippling I.T. Worker Shortage

Unread postby holmes » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 21:03:24

Its true I can get a job anywhere I want basically. I got a masters in Comp Sci just for that. working as a farmer was not going to get me any money to live in this shitstem. Im serious this is one big falacy. This shitstem depends on the unsustainable especially worhthless (in reality) careers. when the gigs up theres is going to be hoards of incompetent and fetal like humoids en mas. No nothing except oil based trinkets and easy easy easy food shelves, etc.. It will be horrifying. and they want to load more in becuase of the infinite growth machine. Its a death march and pure suicidal tendencies. the shitstem enables and will create a snuff out in the end. Its just doin business! It will be one big glass house with nothing of true value in the end. almost there already. Lots of cardboard cut outs. Thats going to be weird. Well theres going to be need for crash courses during chaos. Not a good mix.
Last edited by holmes on Tue 14 Nov 2006, 21:05:26, edited 1 time in total.
"To crush the Cornucopians, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women."
holmes
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2382
Joined: Tue 12 Oct 2004, 03:00:00

Re: America's Crippling I.T. Worker Shortage

Unread postby basil_hayden » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 21:04:40

All of the American IT workers are busy working on the next big porn site or how to make someone else rich instead of finding ways to make our use of resources more efficient, which is why all this crap was originally invented, or so I thought. Maybe it is just a fancy telephone in the end.

The next step might be to make things easy so you don't need an "IT" person, anyone can figure it out. I'm guessing that's where html came from; my mastery of computers ended with GW Basic. Too much behind the scenes that I don't see, or too much going on behind the scenes to handle.

IT people in India are working on the profitable sectors of IT (other than porn), and simple population of vast databases - hence the credit reporting bureaus and telemarketers. Just like the US, most of it is incredibly boring but they've found someone to do it.
User avatar
basil_hayden
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1581
Joined: Mon 08 Aug 2005, 03:00:00
Location: CT, USA

Re: America's Crippling I.T. Worker Shortage

Unread postby holmes » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 21:08:06

I get job offers for programming quite often as well. system devlopers etc.. The boring high skill levels are not being filled by US citizens. thats for sure.
"To crush the Cornucopians, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women."
holmes
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2382
Joined: Tue 12 Oct 2004, 03:00:00

Re: America's Crippling I.T. Worker Shortage

Unread postby Daculling » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 22:40:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'I')ts a death march and pure suicidal tendencies. the shitstem enables and will create a snuff out in the end.


Image

Yep, and if you have not checked out Despair.com you should.
Daculling
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1228
Joined: Tue 12 Apr 2005, 03:00:00

Re: America's Crippling I.T. Worker Shortage

Unread postby MOCKBA » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 23:02:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'A')ll of the American IT workers are busy working on the next big porn site or how to make someone else rich instead of finding ways to make our use of resources more efficient...


This is simply not true! I remember about 10 years ago I had to drive to the bank to deposit money, and then those companies had been sending me paper that postman had to drive in for me to discard. I don't do any of that anymore and ain't it a "way to make our use of the resources more efficient"?

Then again, me and my buddies knocked off couple pennies of the cost of a lb of poultry for our comrades in China, Russia, etc by introducing the power of computers to US poultry farmers, why wouldn't that be more efficient use of resources when one food trader could do the volume of what it used to take 3?

And these days I am doing yet another gig when once we are up and running for a while a whole office floor in one prime office building would be replaced by a room the size of my livingroom. How more efficient should we go?
User avatar
MOCKBA
Coal
Coal
 
Posts: 458
Joined: Mon 05 Sep 2005, 03:00:00

Re: America's Crippling I.T. Worker Shortage

Unread postby eric_b » Tue 14 Nov 2006, 23:22:04

Oh, yeah, despair.com. I like their poster lineup. Haven't looked at them in years.

This one is my favorite:
http://despair.com/los24x30prin.html

from this list ... http://despair.com/viewall.html
User avatar
eric_b
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1174
Joined: Fri 14 Jan 2005, 04:00:00
Location: us

Re: America's Crippling I.T. Worker Shortage

Unread postby threadbear » Wed 15 Nov 2006, 00:54:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'I')ts true I can get a job anywhere I want basically. I got a masters in Comp Sci just for that. working as a farmer was not going to get me any money to live in this shitstem. Im serious this is one big falacy. This shitstem depends on the unsustainable especially worhthless (in reality) careers. when the gigs up theres is going to be hoards of incompetent and fetal like humoids en mas. No nothing except oil based trinkets and easy easy easy food shelves, etc.. It will be horrifying. and they want to load more in becuase of the infinite growth machine. Its a death march and pure suicidal tendencies. the shitstem enables and will create a snuff out in the end. Its just doin business! It will be one big glass house with nothing of true value in the end. almost there already. Lots of cardboard cut outs. Thats going to be weird. Well theres going to be need for crash courses during chaos. Not a good mix.


Have you considered a career with Amway? :)
User avatar
threadbear
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 7577
Joined: Sat 22 Jan 2005, 04:00:00
Top

Re: America's Crippling I.T. Worker Shortage

Unread postby threadbear » Wed 15 Nov 2006, 01:11:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', 'O')h, yeah, despair.com. I like their poster lineup. Haven't looked at them in years.

This one is my favorite:
http://despair.com/los24x30prin.html

from this list ... http://despair.com/viewall.html


My favorite:

http://despair.com/proc24x30pri.html
User avatar
threadbear
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 7577
Joined: Sat 22 Jan 2005, 04:00:00
Top

Re: America's Crippling I.T. Worker Shortage

Unread postby Roy » Wed 15 Nov 2006, 08:31:02

As a former IT worker who left the biz voluntarily, I saw an interesting thing happening at the university where I worked.

They were hiring Indians/Pakis/Chinese on H1-B visas left and right. Seems as though they could get guys with advanced degrees in IT related fields for around $30k. But the starting salary for an Analyst 1 with a BS (an American) was $40k.

I'm not saying. I'm just saying.... :)

No more "office space" for me!!!
Roy
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 1359
Joined: Fri 18 Jun 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Getting in touch with my Inner Redneck

Re: America's Crippling I.T. Worker Shortage

Unread postby Zardoz » Wed 15 Nov 2006, 11:11:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', '.')..They were hiring Indians/Pakis/Chinese on H1-B visas left and right. Seems as though they could get guys with advanced degrees in IT related fields for around $30k. But the starting salary for an Analyst 1 with a BS (an American) was $40k.

They can bring in immigrants to work cheaper. That's all this is about.

Same shit, different day.
"Thank you for attending the oil age. We're going to scrape what we can out of these tar pits in Alberta and then shut down the machines and turn out the lights. Goodnight." - seldom_seen
User avatar
Zardoz
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 6323
Joined: Fri 02 Dec 2005, 04:00:00
Location: Oil-addicted Southern Californucopia
Top

Re: America's Crippling I.T. Worker Shortage

Unread postby firestarter » Wed 15 Nov 2006, 11:15:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', '.')..They were hiring Indians/Pakis/Chinese on H1-B visas left and right. Seems as though they could get guys with advanced degrees in IT related fields for around $30k. But the starting salary for an Analyst 1 with a BS (an American) was $40k.

They can bring in immigrants to work cheaper. That's all this is about.

Same shit, different day.



Bingo!
User avatar
firestarter
Heavy Crude
Heavy Crude
 
Posts: 1171
Joined: Sun 19 Mar 2006, 04:00:00
Top

Re: America's Crippling I.T. Worker Shortage

Unread postby Roy » Wed 15 Nov 2006, 11:26:56

Yep. What that article should've said is : a shortage of foreign workers"

Total bullshit.

It's all about the profit motive, huge salaries for top executives, and dividends for share holders.

Greed rules this land.
Roy
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 1359
Joined: Fri 18 Jun 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Getting in touch with my Inner Redneck

Re: America's Crippling I.T. Worker Shortage

Unread postby holmes » Wed 15 Nov 2006, 14:17:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'I')ts true I can get a job anywhere I want basically. I got a masters in Comp Sci just for that. working as a farmer was not going to get me any money to live in this shitstem. Im serious this is one big falacy. This shitstem depends on the unsustainable especially worhthless (in reality) careers. when the gigs up theres is going to be hoards of incompetent and fetal like humoids en mas. No nothing except oil based trinkets and easy easy easy food shelves, etc.. It will be horrifying. and they want to load more in becuase of the infinite growth machine. Its a death march and pure suicidal tendencies. the shitstem enables and will create a snuff out in the end. Its just doin business! It will be one big glass house with nothing of true value in the end. almost there already. Lots of cardboard cut outs. Thats going to be weird. Well theres going to be need for crash courses during chaos. Not a good mix.


Hahahaha! O my god I went to a meeting once in a "prop" house. It was surreal and horrifying. I also went to a big convention they had and ran out. It was a cult. someone I knew was doing it and thought Id just check it out. Ive never been the same since. Amway reminds me of the shitstem. Pure Ponzi.
Despair. com is funny! I didnt know of it. Funny for sure! I wish those self loathers would off themselves more! Get off this planet and give me more space! hahaha!


Have you considered a career with Amway? :)
"To crush the Cornucopians, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women."
holmes
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2382
Joined: Tue 12 Oct 2004, 03:00:00
Top

Re: America's Crippling I.T. Worker Shortage

Unread postby holmes » Wed 15 Nov 2006, 14:21:55

Im telling u we DO NOT NEED anymore people in this country if you want your kids to have a life besides fighting for resources. When are these loony one worlders going to realize this? The kingpins are at the top of pyrimid and they need slaves. The loony pro immigration fanatics have zero clue and I believe have the IQ of a turd. Zero understanding of consequences and long term understanding. The pro immigration humans are just palying right into the hands of the people they rant against. The kingpins are like Thank u very much for your stupidity! Hahaha! : - (
"To crush the Cornucopians, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women."
holmes
Intermediate Crude
Intermediate Crude
 
Posts: 2382
Joined: Tue 12 Oct 2004, 03:00:00

Next

Return to North America Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 5 guests