[Daculling]

'not with us' was 'against us'

Well, I guess I'm a terrorist then... I can live with that. Continuance of this rhetoric will sink the Republican party... of which I was never a part anyway. No skin in here... Die in a fire I say.

Still conservative though...

[Johnston]

On these forums, if you don't agree with the extreme environmentalist and left wing views expressed, you will be shouted down.

I am a conservative and I don't believe in the threat of man-made global warming. Environmentalism is just a way for the extreme left to carry out their political agenda. The left knows that it can't bring down capitalism by confronting it directly so they use environmentalism.

Look at Bjorn Lomborg, the skeptical environmentalist, physically assaulted by eviro-facists because he dared to question them.

Now they are getting excited about peak oil because it might fulfill their twisted fantasies.

Unfortunately, unlike the lie of global warming, PO is a reality.

Leftism and hardline enviro-facism are unquestionable religions on these forums.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Johnston', '.')..I am a conservative and I don't believe in the threat of man-made global warming. Environmentalism is just a way for the extreme left to carry out their political agenda. The left knows that it can't bring down capitalism by confronting it directly so they use environmentalism...

[Heineken]

Peak oil, economic collapse, and environmental Goetterdaemmerung will render laughably archaic our concepts of "liberal" and "conservative." Like so many other things around us, these mindsets are creatures of the Oil Age and require ever-rising inputs of cheap energy.

Things---and we---are going to change more than we can possibly imagine. This includes the premature conversion of many of us into CORPSES.

[Daculling]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Johnston', 'O')n these forums, if you don't agree with the extreme environmentalist and left wing views expressed, you will be shouted down.

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Johnston', '.')..I am a conservative and I don't believe in the threat of man-made global warming. Environmentalism is just a way for the extreme left to carry out their political agenda. The left knows that it can't bring down capitalism by confronting it directly so they use environmentalism...

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Johnston', 'N')ow they are getting excited about peak oil because it might fulfill their twisted fantasies.

Unfortunately, unlike the lie of global warming, PO is a reality.

[Chaparral]

I've always considered myself a fiscal conservative or libertarian second and a scientist/thinker first. If accepting the overwhelming evidence and consensus on GW/CC/resource depletion/environmental degradation makes me a leftie then so be it. Not all of us Ayn Rand reading entepreneurial types sniff our own ideological merde and think its perfume. I don't post here too often because there are numerous articulate posters here that practically take the words right out of my mind; gg3, Jack, pstarr, blistered whippet, Prairie Mule, rwwff, ibon, and the list goes on.

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'T')his suggests to me that we are seeing an evolution of the way people arrive at their affiliations. The Internet & globalism are slowly dissolving the geographic stranglehold on attitudes worldwide. After only a decade of meaningful web discourse, a strange sort of blending is taking place never before seen in human civilization. The fundamental aspects of human life as described by Diamond & others are changing. Cut lose from their foundations, ideas themselves are growing and changing... transforming the cultures they infect in insidious & fundamental ways.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', 'Y')es, it seems China is still very interested... yet no Chinese posters as far as I can tell. The fact that the blip is on Beijing and not Hong Kong leads me to believe that the Chinese gov is behind that.

[Heineken]

It seems to me that, in general, Democratics, liberals, and leftists are more intelligent than Republicans, conservatives, and right-wingers.

Without getting bogged down in the details of what they actually did, let's look at the general intelligence levels of some recent presidents as exemplars:

Since FDR, who was himself pretty brainy, there have been only four really intelligent presidents---Kennedy, Nixon, Carter, and Clinton; of these, only Nixon was a Republican. The dumbest presidents since FDR include Eisenhower (borderline dumb), LBJ (borderline dumb), Ford, Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II; of these, only LBJ was a Democrat.

Few intelligent people would argue that the dumbest presidents of the recent era are Reagan and the two Bushes---all Republicans.

Since it takes intelligence to see through the daily shitstorm of propaganda to the truths about our world and their (grim) implications for the future, it is no surprise that PO.com's membership is left-leaning.

Granted these are generalities only---averages, if you will. There are some very smart conservatives.

[Johnston]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')here won't be any whining about CO2 and global warming. There won't be whining about how its unfair to India or The Central African Republic of Really Hungry People.

[Heineken]

It seems amusing that someone in Australia, currently undergoing one of the worst droughts in recorded history, would neither believe in nor care about global warming.

I guess you'll believe, and care, Johnston, when you have no alternative but to believe and care. That day will come for you.

Until then, enjoy your climate-controlled cocoon.

[KhanCEO]

Doesn't matter which party, you think you "belong" to your still getting screwed by the private for profit bank that prints our money out of thin air, then turns around and charges us interest. Your playing in a rigged game. Doesn't matter who you vote for or if you protest. The N.S.A. most likely lurks this site daily.

[Johnston]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t seems amusing that someone in Australia, currently undergoing one of the worst droughts in recorded history, would neither believe in nor care about global warming.

[Heineken]

Well, the first step to doing something is to believe what the world's climate scientists are telling us with one voice and the evidence of your own skin, Johnston.

Don't be a climate change denier---it's a silly stance, and not becoming of someone from your great country. Read the stories on climate change posted on this site and get educated on the subject.

I agree it may be too late to do much about it.

[Graeme]

This thread is now posted on the Energy Bulletin site!

[Aaron]

Yes the dots are proportional.

Yes the NSA visits here frequently & in significant numbers.

As does every branch of the US military including centcom.gov.

Our Chinese traffic is largely from Chinese ISP's. (although they could be anything since I don't read Chinese.)

The Chinese traffic is about 3-4 months old BTW... before that we have never had a recordable Chinese visitor IP... ever.

And yes... the diversity of opinion here is broad, and creates an excellent perti-dish of ideas.

Despite the lamentations of minority-view posters.

Notice on the map that you are looking at only the 1st 500 of over 20,000 visits. (A software limitation)

[dissimulo]

Something must have changed in the way that the Chinese address space is indentified, because I have routinely read PO.com from China during my travels over the last three years. I assume there are probably plenty of other PO.com lurkers that travel China and read the site from there.