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Wanna participate in my minisurvey?

Postby Solberg » Wed 01 Dec 2004, 12:07:38

Hello everyone!

I would like to invite everyone on this forum to participate in a survey I'm doing as part of a postgraduate research project at the London School of Economics. The survey attempts to compare measures of awareness and emotion towards energy-related opinions across different sample groups. I stress that while some of you might find the opinion-statements
silly, stupid or just plain wrong, they are not intended as factual,
right-or-wrong assertions. I urge you to consider these in the same
way you might consider for example an opinion voiced by a friend or a
colleague in a discussion.
Thus all response-choices, except the last three questions regarding
age, sex and nationality, are in the format "strongly
agree", "moderately agree", "don't know/never thought about
it", "moderately disagree" and "strongly disagree", instead of a
simple yes/no approach.
The link to the survey can be found at the bottom of the post. If you
do click on it and complete the survey (I *will* include you in my
future prayers... :)) I will consider that action as equivalent to a
written and informed consent (for ethical purposes). All results will
be available to all participants throughout the survey.
Be adviced that the survey ends on Friday Dec. 3. at 2100h CST
(Chicago time).

The survey is found at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=49682750574

Any and all comments/queries regarding the survey or this posting
will be much appreciated!

Yours sincerely,
Christian Solberg, MSc Social & Public Communication, London School
of Economics and Political Science
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Postby Taskforce_Unity » Wed 01 Dec 2004, 14:23:56

one problem, the link is dead (also on www.surveymonkey.com)

Greetings,

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Postby dmtu » Wed 01 Dec 2004, 14:50:27

Link's back, up only takes about two minutes to complete.
You observed it from the start
Now you’re a million miles apart
As we bleed another nation
So you can watch you favorite station
Now you eyes pop out your sockets
Dirty hands and empty pockets
Who? You!
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Postby brian » Wed 01 Dec 2004, 16:30:19

Your picking from a very biased (or informed) sample here. I think the peak oilers (myself included) will taint your survey.
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Postby Oiltanker » Wed 01 Dec 2004, 17:19:13

Good post!

I was a bit surprised: People think: #1 Demand will increase!
#2 Energy technologies will change!


Oh good people are stupid.

first of all, demand will decrease since the economy will shrink.

Next we have technologies, even though there is not a single technology that can compete with oil, they believe it will change!

Oil is champagne remember?

I think peakoilers should do their homework better.


*sniff*
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Postby Guest » Wed 01 Dec 2004, 20:02:47

I think the point is to compare our response (PeakOilers) to subgroups from other areas (say Australian career women or Polish gay farmers or something ) given the same poll.

Think there'll be any differences between us and 'normal' sheeple ???

:roll: :roll: :roll:
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The questionnaire: issues raised by you good folks!

Postby Solberg » Thu 02 Dec 2004, 11:07:53

First of all, thanks for the illuminating comments, you all!

A word on sampling: I deliberately sampled from this group as well as the Yahoo! discussion groups Runningonempty2, AllEnergy and energyresources in order to compare these highly interestingly non-random groups to a slightly less non-random group, namely college students from a variety of countries studying at the London School of Economics, where I'm doing my psychology masters.
It's apparent that there is a severe gender bias in the respondents on Surveymonkey. To be honest, I'm not surprised. Like it or not, "hi-tech" is predominantly a male interest. One surprising aspect given the demographics of Internet use (see f.ex. http://www.pewinternet.org/pdfs/Pew_Tho ... Report.pdf) is the relatively high age of the respondents. Most are males, over 30, many over 50. I'll try to get a contrasting gender bias in my student sample, culling responses mainly from young women. And no, this is not about trying to "score"...

To brian: I'm picking from this highly informed/interested group exactly in order to compare these to a "normal" college population. Anyone read psychology? Most research within psychology has been done with and on American college students... Is this a representative sample of all the people on earth? Most likely not, yet researchers continue to rely on these studies as a baseline comparison data pool.

To Oiltanker: Thanks for the compliment. Though many might think otherwise, I must stress that the statements in the survey are not intended to be right or wrong statements about facts. As far as I can tell there's a great deal of controversy over these issues, which to my opinion is why we have all these web-sites and discussion groups relating to questions of energy scarcity. I'm interested in opinions, not material "facts" which may or may not exist.

To dmtu: Thanks for the great quote by a great writer. My father, an electrical engineer who's been in the oil industry for some 25 years, is sure to get a kick out of that!

To Guest: You're absolutely right, except for the part about gay Polish farmers. I don't think there are too many around. Too bad, perhaps.

Ok, more on this later. This whole thing is due for submission on Monday 6. I'll be happy to send any interested parties a statistical breakdown.

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Postby Josephus » Thu 02 Dec 2004, 15:51:22

Glad to participate. I do wonder how your results would come out if the poll was posted on more mainstream sites where people might not be so aware of the situation at hand. It is good to see that those in the know are usually on the same page though.
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Postby 0mar » Thu 02 Dec 2004, 18:03:20

#4 has only true answer. Once you burn oil/gas/coal, it is gone forever. Reserves, by the law of thermodynamics, has to fall.
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Reply to Josephus & Omar

Postby Solberg » Fri 03 Dec 2004, 05:49:59

Omar: You're sort of right. Fossil fuels do renew themselves. But in practical terms it takes forever. However, many people may not know this fact. Second, many seem to think that reserves as measured in the potential/discovered capacity are increasing as new fields are opened. This is the dichotomy I was trying to capture with q #4.

Josephus: I'll post a breakdown of the responses from my sample student population next week. They are different.

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Postby pepper2000 » Fri 03 Dec 2004, 16:49:11

It told me the survey was closed, though it doesn't look like it's closing time yet.
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Survey closed!

Postby Solberg » Sat 04 Dec 2004, 08:49:29

That's right folks. I decided to close it earlier than stated since I'd already got 90 respondents - more than enough for my purposes. A summary of the study will be published on Monday. Many thanks to all who participated.

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Postby 0mar » Sat 04 Dec 2004, 15:12:06

ah I see Soilberg. To me, once its CO2 and H2O, it's gone forever :)
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Survey results

Postby Solberg » Tue 07 Dec 2004, 11:43:59

OK, as promised, a summary of the survey results.

Internet respondents had a mean sum of scores of 17.8. The student respondents had a mean sum of scores of 24.67. So both groups were predominantly pessimistic, though you peak-oilers are clearly less happy with the prospects for the future.
When it came to sheer awareness of these issues, students were 8 - eight - times more likely to answer "don't know/never thought about it", 21.6% of all replies vs a mere 2.8% for the Internet respondents.

However, the study can't be said to accurately represent the attitudes of either group due to 1) poor sampling procedures and 2) a lack of uni-dimensionality in the question items. Put another way, the samples were biased, and the questions asked were about more than "just" technological optimism. The main finding is that the general population has a very limited awareness of possible energy scarcity issues.

This is a problem that I think most of the users/members of sites such as peakoil.com are very concerned with. The question I then pose is - what is the best way forward? How can one inform the public spheres with knowledge very few people really want to take on board? What kinds of information types and fora are best suited -not to scare, vilify or propagandize - but to raise awareness and enable "hotspots" of innovation to be initiated and supported over longer periods of time than the average budget allows for?

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Re: Survey results

Postby 0mar » Tue 07 Dec 2004, 16:02:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Solberg', 'T')his is a problem that I think most of the users/members of sites such as peakoil.com are very concerned with. The question I then pose is - what is the best way forward? How can one inform the public spheres with knowledge very few people really want to take on board? What kinds of information types and fora are best suited -not to scare, vilify or propagandize - but to raise awareness and enable "hotspots" of innovation to be initiated and supported over longer periods of time than the average budget allows for?

Christian Solberg, London


Welcome to everyone's dilemna here (AND TO THE BOARD^^). Very few people are willing to accept the facts that the lifestyle we have enjoyed for the last 60 years is about to twilight. I just think experience will be the best teacher.
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Communication strategies...

Postby Solberg » Thu 09 Dec 2004, 11:09:13

Well, I guess you're right Omar. This surely is the central dilemma for all concerned with the peak-oil phenomena.

And just to set the record straight: Though I'm not entirely, 110% convinced of the central peak-oil hypotheses, to me it doesn't matter, because the main problem is not whether peak-oil is upon us as we speak, the problem is that energy scarcity is almost certain to arise in one shape or the other some time during my life-time (I'm 28), and 100% certain to do so within the life-span of my generation's offspring.

You said that experience will be the greatest teacher. I cannot disagree with that, but that does not exclude us from changing our behavioural patterns in a conscious manner - mainly the ways in which we collectively act as if there is no tomorrow and all lunches are free. Now, there are three grand avenues to changing collective behaviour.

One, you define and enforce rules of behaviour in the form of jurisdictions, regulations and social norms for appropriate behaviour through institutional structures such as political, religious or economic bodies.
Two, you change the common-sense attitudes of groups of individuals through legitimate sources of influence that are not tied to institutional or social sanctions, as in point one, by measures such as advertising, campaigning, demonstrations and such.
Three, you change the parameters for what behaviour is physically or psychologically feasible for the actors/users/consumers within the system of interest, such as selling cars that only uses a max amount of N energy units per unit of usage.
This last point I think is the most interesting one. In contrary to the first two strategies it relies only on the most common of all human institutions - namely the marketplace. If producers of goods and services ensure that their production processes are as energy-efficient in the long run as possible (meaning also that they are cheap and one can make a nice profit!); producing goods or services to the public that fulfill their needs at the same time as maximally curbing the energy costs inherent in the consumption of the commodity, then "the consumers" (that's all of us, btw) have little choice but to follow suit and reduce their energy consumption.
For example, the people at the Rocky Mountain Institute (www.rmi.org) have a lot of good ideas on how to implement energy-efficiency as a standard of excellence and quality both when it comes to the production process and to the final product and its use parameters. The bottom line in political terms is that energy-efficiency need not be relegated to the environmentalists, who for the most part are as squabbling and stupid as the politicians they try to denigrate so often. The bottom line in economical terms is that it makes perfect business sense to make goods and services in the most efficient way possible. Finally, the bottom line in social terms is that the public won't have the feeling that they're being bullied by politicians, big business or "experts" into "doing the right thing for the future/your children/your grandchildren". Instead, "doing the right thing" will be doing the smart thing, because you will be getting a better product for less money.

More on this later!
There are probably threads somewhere on this forum that are more appropriate for this subject. If any has any good suggestions for where to take this I'll just follow your lead.
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Postby spot5050 » Thu 09 Dec 2004, 19:15:00

Hi Solberg, what were you looking for from that survey? What were you interested in finding out?.. What are you up to with it?!
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Purpose of survey

Postby Solberg » Mon 13 Dec 2004, 09:19:04

Hi spot5050!

The purpose of the survey was to pilot the items in the questionnaire to see if they could be used as part of a Likert (attitude) scale that can measure technological optimism in some detail. As such, it didn't work out perfectly, since the questions did not properly correlate with each other. It seemed after analysis that the questions were grouped into at least two or more themes or "latent variables", as measured by the responses. Meaning, I have to be more specific in the future, or I have to use another method altogether.

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Re: Purpose of survey

Postby spot5050 » Wed 15 Dec 2004, 18:45:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Solberg', 'T')he purpose of the survey was to pilot the items in the questionnaire to see if they could be used as part of a Likert (attitude) scale that can measure technological optimism in some detail.


Eh?! And again, but in english please <g>.

What's "technological optimism"?
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Postby mindfarkk » Thu 16 Dec 2004, 00:13:56

for the record, a Likert scale is a rating scale that the person being surveyed uses to answer a question, such as:

did you like this survey?
1 - hated it
2 - modestly disliked it
3 - could care less
4 - thought it was fun
5 - omg, can i take it again? now? please

technological optimism - i'll let the OP field that.
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