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Dr. Samsam Bakhtiari: We are in T1

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Re: We are in T1

Unread postby peripato » Thu 02 Nov 2006, 21:29:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IslandCrow', 'T')hanks for posting this.

Do you have any links to where I can find more details about the Transitionary phases (ie where it spells out the volumes for T2-T5)?

See Peak oil and Bakhtiari's 4 phases of transition by Byron W. King where he interviews Bakhtiari about the details.

From what he says below I believe he infers will know that T1 has ended after the OPEC/NOPEC crossover occurs around 2010. Excerpt;

"So the only Transition we can see rather clearly (or rather, we hope to be able to comprehend) is T1. It is clear that T1 will witness the tilting of the 'Oil Demand' and 'Oil Supply' scales -- with the former dominant at the onset and the latter commanding toward the close (say, by 2009 or 2010). "
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Re: We are in T1

Unread postby Heineken » Thu 02 Nov 2006, 23:28:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grink1tt3n', 'G')ah, we live in interesting times, eh. :)

So glad I found this board a couple of weeks ago.

By the way Dante, I always get a kick out of your avatar!


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Re: We are in T1

Unread postby jeezlouise » Thu 02 Nov 2006, 23:30:56

Today I caught myself reminding my 2+ year-old daughter that the airplanes she sees in the skies today may be just a thing of distant memory when she reaches my ripe old age of 27.

Is this wrong? I mean, I very well may be off base, but... who here sees jet travel as a normal thing in 2031? (Besides Dezakin?)
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Re: We are in T1

Unread postby Heineken » Thu 02 Nov 2006, 23:37:38

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It's not like the petroleum party has done anyone any good.


It has done a few people some good, by turning them into godlike potentates that would make Caligula look like a poor little choirboy.

Those endless streams of cars and their grim occupants serve today's potentates just as surely as the quarry slaves served the pharoahs.
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Re: We are in T1

Unread postby Mechler » Fri 03 Nov 2006, 00:37:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jeezlouise', 'T')oday I caught myself reminding my 2+ year-old daughter that the airplanes she sees in the skies today may be just a thing of distant memory when she reaches my ripe old age of 27.

Is this wrong? I mean, I very well may be off base, but... who here sees jet travel as a normal thing in 2031? (Besides Dezakin?)


I think this is the most depressing thing I've read all day. I too have a 2 yr-old daughter and she loves airplanes, helicopters, dumptrucks, and technology in general. I couldn't bring myself to tell her that these things that she loves may not be around when she's older.

It's just sad.
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Re: We are in T1

Unread postby Heineken » Fri 03 Nov 2006, 00:50:50

We are teaching our children to love the wrong things.

Personally, I will loudly celebrate the death of the last dump truck.
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Re: We are in T1

Unread postby Mechler » Fri 03 Nov 2006, 01:06:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'W')e are teaching our children to love the wrong things.

Personally, I will loudly celebrate the death of the last dump truck.


I'm sure you'll celebrate the last truckload of food delivered to your grocery store, too.

The point is, these transitions aren't gonna be easy, and it's our kids who will suffer.
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Re: We are in T1

Unread postby IslandCrow » Fri 03 Nov 2006, 10:58:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('peripato', '
')See Peak oil and Bakhtiari's 4 phases of transition by Byron W. King where he interviews Bakhtiari about the details.


Thank you - just the sort of thing I was looking for. In my limited knowledge, I find that this sort of phased drop seems to be more likely than just a sudden cliff.

The more I look the more I get confused about are we at peak, in T1 or will that come in one, two or three years - I like how the article talks about Bakhtiari talking about T1 (slight decline) being a blessing if we would wake up to it early enough and start making changes before the faster decline sets in.
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Re: We are in T1

Unread postby DantesPeak » Fri 03 Nov 2006, 11:35:42

Thanks for the compliments. However I probably don't have any better plan to deal with T2 than anyone else.

I think life will more or less be the same until 2010 - barring a war with Iran or some other terrible attack on ME oil. The latter events are not a small risk.

It's going to be very hard to know what to do even when we get to T2. The chaos theory will rule. Hope the internet will still be up and running then.
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Re: We are in T1

Unread postby Revi » Fri 03 Nov 2006, 12:58:55

I think it depends on where you live. I went down to southern Maine yesterday and realized that they aren't at the same place that we are here north of Augusta. We live on the edge. T2 has started here. There are lots of people who can't afford to buy heating oil now around here. Maybe it's always been like this, but it feels harsh now. I think 2007/08 will be nasty around here. Other places may still be basking in the warmth of the petroleum fire, but we're further away from it here. We have our chainsaws and our woodlots to keep us warm.
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Re: We are in T1

Unread postby Newsseeker » Fri 03 Nov 2006, 14:34:07

ASPO is linking to this article from their site:

Why we must take Peak Oil seriously with Dr Ali Morteza Samsam Bakhtiari

"The four Transition periods (T1, T2, T3, and T4) will roughly span the 2006-2020 era. Each Transition [will] cover, on average, three to four years.

"The major palpable difference between the four Ts is their respective gradient of oil output decline - very small for T1, perceptible for T2, remarkable in T3, and rather steep for T4. In fact, this gradation in decline is a genuine blessing for those having to cope and adapt.


http://www.moneyweek.com/file/18243/why ... ously.html
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Re: We are in T1

Unread postby Revi » Fri 03 Nov 2006, 15:08:52

That was a very scary article. If we are going to be at around 55 million barrels by 2020 we are in real trouble now. We need to start to cut our energy consumption now so that we are ready for what's coming. Maybe cut our energy use by half so that we're ready for past 2020. It's coming, fast!
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Re: We are in T1

Unread postby Heineken » Fri 03 Nov 2006, 15:26:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mechler', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'W')e are teaching our children to love the wrong things.

Personally, I will loudly celebrate the death of the last dump truck.


I'm sure you'll celebrate the last truckload of food delivered to your grocery store, too.



Ridiculous. It's because of what we insist on teaching our children---the love of malls, fast food, consumerism, and dump trucks--- that we got into this mess.

I will celebrate the collapse of dominant culture in its every profoundly sick manifestation.

And I'm capable of feeding myself, entirely if necessary.

Considering teaching your daughter to play with toy gardening tools, not dump trucks.
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Re: We are in T1

Unread postby Revi » Sun 05 Nov 2006, 20:48:07

I think T1 begins next week for everybody else. Ho Ho Ho, Merry Christmas! When Santa puts those lumps of coal in our stockings we are going to be psyched! Another night of warmth!
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Unread postby shortonoil » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 10:41:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Over millions of years, the slowly plodding progression of evolution transformed members of the genus Homo into the most successful hunting/gathering creatures in history. Advanced by the glacially slow development of a larger and more complex brain, this group of beings survived by achieving a greater capacity to adapt.

41,000 years ago, an extraordinary cosmic nuclear Event occurred. The star, Geminga, in the constellation Gemini exploded, and 230 years later, for a few brief minutes, one-half of the earth was struck by a death-delivering beam of high intensity radiation. Plants withered and 40 million animals died as the lethal rays penetrated bone and tissue. Genetic material was scrambled and destroyed; rampant mutations pillaged the planet! One of these mutations affected Homo sapiens by changing the creatures’ brain function. The mutation resulted in a greatly enhanced capacity to mimic behaviors that the animal observed. This change led to Complex Culture; an amazingly successful survival mechanism and the foundation of civilization.

But the immensely successful rise of Complex Culture created its own significant problems. The Event’s mutation provided humans with a tremendous power to alter their environment. While the evolutionary process that originally created the mind was ponderously slow; the stellar rate of the Event’s mutation rapidly propelled the species into its own distant future. To learn how to control this newly acquired and immensely powerful capacity, humanity was given insufficient time.

Our present cultural structure and its root, mimicry, have brought humanity to a precarious position. From Complex Culture came advancing technology, and the species was granted a means to vastly and rapidly far overextend its presence. Harbored by the planet is a human population, now three and a half times greater than what is persistently sustainable. Consequently, in a desperate attempt to maintain this growing mass of humanity, we are furiously and rapidly pillaging the planet that maintains us!


excerpt from the Overview of “MIND of a Predator”
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Re: We are in T1

Unread postby grabby » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 12:23:06

Actually we are in G2 not T1

G1 is cell multiplication of proteins and resouces, idiots and wasters, S is multiplication of chromatin, sparkly shiny government types. production of Chromosomes (Government)
andG2 is the preparing and diffusion wrapping and splitting of the chromotin wrapping into chromosomes, matching pairing and separating into blocks. prior to fissuring of the
anaphase/telephase/ physical splitting up of the countries, regions, districts and groups.


the government (genes) are now deviding and splitting into two factions, winding up around the H proteins and getting ready to separate.

The elections are in effect and in two days the bums will be thrown out and we will have a full release of energy to swing WAY WAY the other way, passing many laws and overwhlming our business system.

In response, the microsofts, er microsomes will reduce production of protein manufacturing (oil cheap) to the people that kicked them in the behind after all the wars they started to save the cell and everythihng.

ingratitude!

Anyway gas is going WAY HIGH forever.


and soon the country will split.

then the chemical signal for polarization of the microtublues begins
(incorporating all citizens into a more easily controllable form of information (google/microsoft complex.

The google (golgii) body is the packager of the cell

and feeds all parts of the structure.

and the microsomes (microsoft) route and duplicate all data.

and the chromosome plate will develop

and then outside forces will devide the cell.

then the chemical signal for all reproduction to stop will be given
\(running out of oil)

There are so many parallels in nature it is pretty interestiing.

P.S. and the cost of ATP is going up wednesday, Forever.
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Re: We are in T1

Unread postby Revi » Mon 06 Nov 2006, 14:10:46

Oil is at $61.20 and rising. Everybody starts heating their homes, which leads to more demand for heating oil, and may drive the price up a bit more. Or maybe there won't be a winter at all. Wouldn't that be nice! T1 starts Wednesday in my opinion.
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