[Kylon]

I was thinking about what might happen post peak, and I had an interesting thought.

Post Peak, might be more favorable to women then it is to men.

This is because as the Elites want to hold onto their power, they will be looking for any ally they can to promote their control, and thus stability. Since women have more to lose to anarchy then men do, and do to the fact that women are more compliant with societies standards, regardless of how maelevolent they are (except when specifically maelevolent to women, and then the reaction is disporportionately weak), then women make the perfect allies in controlling the populace post peak.

So I'm thinking the upper class might try and take more and more power away from men, and give it to women, in order to promote and safeguard their future, even if they are giving undeserved or unearned privileges away.

What do you think?

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[Ludi]

How do you take power from men and give it to women?

[Wednesday]

Girls have cooties.

[Wednesday]

*burp* Pardon me.

[Tyler_JC]

I'm sorry, I just don't see it happening.

Look what happened after the collapse of Rome. Women who were once relatively powerful became property of local warlords.

Primitive societies rarely grant rights to women and sadly a primitive post-peak society will likely strip away many of the rights that we now consider to be natural.

Hopefully, we will not return to a feudalist system but an agrarian society like the one that existed in colonial America is certainly a possibility for the far flung future.

It is impossible to know what the future holds for women's rights. But I have a hard time believing that we will become more egalitarian when it comes to gender roles in the 22nd Century.

Oh what interesting times we live in!

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'I') was thinking about what might happen post peak, and I had an interesting thought.

Post Peak, might be more favorable to women then it is to men.

This is because as the Elites want to hold onto their power, they will be looking for any ally they can to promote their control, and thus stability. Since women have more to lose to anarchy then men do, and do to the fact that women are more compliant with societies standards, regardless of how maelevolent they are (except when specifically maelevolent to women, and then the reaction is disporportionately weak), then women make the perfect allies in controlling the populace post peak.

So I'm thinking the upper class might try and take more and more power away from men, and give it to women, in order to promote and safeguard their future, even if they are giving undeserved or unearned privileges away.

What do you think?

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[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'H')ow do you take power from men and give it to women?

[mmasters]

I'm with Tyler_JC.

It will degenerate for women and revert to a more primal hunter and gatherer model. With the world a tougher and more violent place much of what makes today's society and culture will break down.

HR, ethics boards, insurance, lawsuits and the like will all most likely go out the window. Most women that venture out into the working world will have to learn to better fend their territory, choose the people they associate with more wisely and build up a higher general tolerance. As well over time they may have to accept substandard careers again.

IMO, being a man post peak will be a better deal.

[rogerhb]

You forgot about an increase in religious fundamentalism which, historically, doesn't bode well for women.

[Ludi]

It's erroneous to make broad assumptions about gender roles in HG societies. Don't confuse sedentary chiefdom societies with HG societies.

How our societies choose to manage loss of central authority is up to the people, it is not something destined. Of course it doesn't help that so many of you seem to think oppression is inevitable.

[WildRose]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'H')ow our societies choose to manage loss of central authority is up to the people, it is not something destined. Of course it doesn't help that so many of you seem to think oppression is inevitable.

[Kingcoal]

First off I'll warn you that I'm a male chauvinist pig. Ok, got that out of the way, now on to my opinion; women have a hundred times more to lose than men.

The oil age has propped up our egalitarian society, which is an indulgence. In highly competitive, non oil powered societies where resources are short women are property to be traded, by men. Men are brutal, violent warriors who take what they want. Without our Republic and our oil powered police forces and military, it's every man for himself. Guess what? Tony Soprano personalities tend to win out in free for alls.

Face it, oil has enabled us to manufacture all kinds of luxuries - for our women. It was all done for our women. Sorry girls, but it's back to business as usual in thirty years or so. It was nice while it lasted.

[TITAN]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'Y')ou forgot about an increase in religious fundamentalism which, historically, doesn't bode well for women.

[AgentR]

To the direct question, I think its a lot more complicated. From our current perspective, we see the issue built around "rights" and "power". I think these are the trappings of luxury. In a world where a man will have to work 10-14hrs a day, every day, just to keep his family alive, I don't think "rights" and "power" even enter the picture.

If we look back to agrarian America, men made most of the final decisions and did most of the business, and the women created the community in which that business and those decisions occured out of whole cloth. For the hollywierd couple of the Mayor and his wife, or the wealthy tycoon and his daughter; sure, maybe those questions will still have some meaning; but for most of us here that are part of families, debates about whether a woman ought to own property or run for Governor are likely to seem as foreign as setting up a base of exploration on the bottom of the sea.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TITAN', 'T')o save civilization, post peak, kill every practicing religous person you know and meet. No questions, no mercy, just kill them. Let it be known that fervent religousness WILL NOT be tolerated...

Otherwise, they will either convert, or kill you, and enslave your wives and daughters...

I am deadly serious... Since the area I live in is swarming with mother-fucking mormons, who I hate more than any other religion, I must take this course of action; post peak...

[max_power29]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'I') was thinking about what might happen post peak, and I had an interesting thought.

Post Peak, might be more favorable to women then it is to men.

This is because as the Elites want to hold onto their power, they will be looking for any ally they can to promote their control, and thus stability. Since women have more to lose to anarchy then men do, and do to the fact that women are more compliant with societies standards, regardless of how maelevolent they are (except when specifically maelevolent to women, and then the reaction is disporportionately weak), then women make the perfect allies in controlling the populace post peak.

So I'm thinking the upper class might try and take more and more power away from men, and give it to women, in order to promote and safeguard their future, even if they are giving undeserved or unearned privileges away.

What do you think?

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[max_power29]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TITAN', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'Y')ou forgot about an increase in religious fundamentalism which, historically, doesn't bode well for women.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', 'n') the future I will suggest an awakening one day will occur that a victory in our ETERNAL struggle, man vs. nature can never be achieved. And once this awakening occurs, this shift in thinking will lead to a new age of feeling toward our elemental Mother Earth.

And I think 5000 years of a 'patriarchal dominance' or ‘the age of expansion', as I call it will come to an end post peak.

Egalitarian cultures may indeed return.