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Has Peak Oil Awareness Created an Energy Binge?

Unread postby MD » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 04:18:23

Like an addict on one last sail before entering rehab, have you responded to peak oil by binging on energy or other activities?

In my case, I have taken six vacations in the last year.
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Re: Has Peak Oil Awareness Created an Energy Binge?

Unread postby MD » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 04:25:06

Same question applies to larger economies, all the way up to global.

Does PO awareness tend to increase or decrease energy use?
Regionally?
Nationally?
Globally?
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Re: Has Peak Oil Awareness Created an Energy Binge?

Unread postby AgentR » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 04:31:34

Not really done much different energy wise. Its just too dang cheap for now to worry about.

There are more important preperation steps that need my time and attention. Practicing permaculture designs, planting fruit trees, giving mushrooms a try; planting rice for the first time, etc.
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Re: Has Peak Oil Awareness Created an Energy Binge?

Unread postby MD » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 04:45:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'N')ot really done much different energy wise. Its just too dang cheap for now to worry about.

There are more important preperation steps that need my time and attention. Practicing permaculture designs, planting fruit trees, giving mushrooms a try; planting rice for the first time, etc.


That's just it, thank you!

I sense a general undercurrent of urgency in the economy, similar to what occured in 1999.

I hear many comments. "have to get it done now, this won't last"
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Re: Has Peak Oil Awareness Created an Energy Binge?

Unread postby WildRose » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 04:55:16

Personally, PO awareness has caused me to do all I can to reduce energy use by using less hot water, electricity and gasoline. I'm doing what I can to plan errands in the most gas-efficient manner, even though driving has been cheaper of late. But I must admit that I'm thinking about the places (far away) that I'd like to go before it's no longer possible to do so.

As far as the larger picture goes, I'd wager that not much is being done to curtail energy use. I think the combination of developing alternatives and searching for more oil has got to be causing an energy binge. For a while it seemed the airline industry might be moving to reduce flights, etc., but now it just seems like business as usual. Another area of big concern is the electrical grid; I don't think usage is slowing down in this area either, what with more refrigeration, air conditioning and bigger TVs and such.
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Re: Has Peak Oil Awareness Created an Energy Binge?

Unread postby Don35 » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 09:37:13

I've been working to reduce my energy consumption for many years. It's just what I have always believed (and saves me money). PO has made me consume less useless "stuff" and buy more PO prep stuff.
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Re: Has Peak Oil Awareness Created an Energy Binge?

Unread postby Concerned » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 15:27:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'S')ame question applies to larger economies, all the way up to global.

Does PO awareness tend to increase or decrease energy use?
Regionally?
Nationally?
Globally?


I read an article that essentially said high energy prices in the short term lead to economic growth. People get second jobs to pay for the increases in energy. Which leads to added income and spending.

Personally since PO I have done both more spending on vacations and picked up some exra work to pay for it. Im making the most of what I believe is the cheap energy plateau.
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Re: Has Peak Oil Awareness Created an Energy Binge?

Unread postby MD » Mon 30 Oct 2006, 07:02:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Concerned', '
')I read an article that essentially said high energy prices in the short term lead to economic growth. People get second jobs to pay for the increases in energy. Which leads to added income and spending..


High energy prices divert capital to the energy sector of the economy. That is where your "added income and spending" occur.

That's why it is so important to closely watch the energy companies. What they do with their recent windfalls will speak volumes of truth.
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Re: Has Peak Oil Awareness Created an Energy Binge?

Unread postby peaker_2005 » Mon 30 Oct 2006, 09:34:06

Should I gain employment and have spare money before the crash, I will probably travel.

Though it'll likely be by train (unless it's overseas). Don't ask me why, but I don't really care how long the trip takes... Planes at takeoff feel extremely unnatural.
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Re: Has Peak Oil Awareness Created an Energy Binge?

Unread postby dissimulo » Mon 30 Oct 2006, 10:44:43

The Irony of Peak Oil Awareness

Since I posted the above, I have continued to consume a much greater amount of energy than at any previous point in my life. If everyone reacted to PO as I have, we'd be doomed. Thankfully, everyone has not, and I am more self-sufficient all the time.

I figure my energy consumption will dramatically drop in about two years when I am done re-engineering. If I live another 80 years, my recent energy consumption might balance out, but the odds of living another 80 years are exceedingly slim. ;)
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Re: Has Peak Oil Awareness Created an Energy Binge?

Unread postby MD » Mon 30 Oct 2006, 11:02:28

Expending additional energy now in order to reduce future needs is rational behavior.

Having an energy party now because it won't be available later is not rational.

I am doing both, and it appears I am not alone.
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Re: Has Peak Oil Awareness Created an Energy Binge?

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Mon 30 Oct 2006, 11:06:32

I think it is very clear that has not happened on a societal scale. Production volumes have been flat for a couple of years, and prices are way down. That can only be explained by demand destruction. If everyone were binging, prices would be way up. I also don't think, though, that societally we are anywhere near a mass acceptance of peak oil. I think basically the splurging mentality boils down to "I've got to use lots of energy before everybody else figures this out and the prices goes up." Sort of like hurrying to sell a stock because you have inside info that the company is about to go bankrupt.
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Re: Has Peak Oil Awareness Created an Energy Binge?

Unread postby Zardoz » Mon 30 Oct 2006, 11:37:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'L')ike an addict on one last sail before entering rehab...

Interesting concept. You may be onto something here. I'd say it's very likely that as the general populace becomes more PO aware, we'll see a lot of that kind of behaviour. Greedy, self-absorbed little twits that we are, it would seem to be the sort of response so many of us will have.

Let's watch and see how much of this we can detect as things play out.

(Now that I think about it, I remember reading a post on one of these forums theorizing that BushCo was de-emphasizing conservation for a very deliberate reason: They may be thinking that we Americans should use up as much of the high-quality oil as possible, fueling more economic growth and increasing our power, before the Chinese could get it and build their economy even faster than they're doing now.

It makes horrible sense doesn't it? We stifle the growth of Chinese power by using up the resource that they would consume to grow on. We gulp it down and grow as much as possible before they do.

Sure, to us it seems insane, but that's true, pure Neocon thinking, isn't it? That's the way those people's minds work.)
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Re: Has Peak Oil Awareness Created an Energy Binge?

Unread postby Battle_Scarred_Galactico » Mon 30 Oct 2006, 12:08:53

We stifle the growth of Chinese power by using up the resource that they would consume to grow on. We gulp it down and grow as much as possible before they do.


I think its' pretty obvious thats the plan. No dominant power ever gives up its' posistion willingly.

I think when it comes to it (and it will), the US would much rather destroy resources than lose them to a rising power.
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Re: Has Peak Oil Awareness Created an Energy Binge?

Unread postby MD » Mon 30 Oct 2006, 13:09:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Battle_Scarred_Galactico', '
')I think when it comes to it (and it will), the US would much rather destroy resources than lose them to a rising power.


Lovely depressing thought, thanks.

It doesn't matter which group has power either.
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Re: Has Peak Oil Awareness Created an Energy Binge?

Unread postby Bytesmiths » Mon 30 Oct 2006, 14:08:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'L')ike an addict on one last sail before entering rehab, have you responded to peak oil by binging on energy or other activities?
No, quite the opposite. I've quit air travel and began using vegetable oil for most of my travel. More importantly, I began working at home, cutting my total fuel use by about 90%. I've moved to a country that better supports a non-consumptive life-style. And I've begun plans -- with a few dozen others -- to become self-sustaining in food and energy.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'I')n my case, I have taken six vacations in the last year.
Perhaps you're in denial. Think of where you might be if you had put that energy into self-sufficiency, instead of idle diversion?

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Re: Has Peak Oil Awareness Created an Energy Binge?

Unread postby MD » Mon 30 Oct 2006, 15:36:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bytesmiths', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'I')n my case, I have taken six vacations in the last year.
Perhaps you're in denial. Think of where you might be if you had put that energy into self-sufficiency, instead of idle diversion?

"Denial" implies a misperception of the real sitution. This question is directed at those who do see what is coming, not those who refuse to see and instead turn back to an ever greater intensity of consumption.

The rational response is to systematically power down, as you and I and others have done, in varying measure.

I suppose I should clarify my "six vacations" comment. One was a trip to a weekend party-retreat with some musician friends, the other five were weekend trips to my region of birth, to visit family and seek out a place to live...not exactly "idle diversion", but not a necessary energy use either. The point of the comment is that my own renewed awareness definitely influenced the number of trips I decided to take this year.

By the way, I looked for Veggie Van Gogh at the peak oil conference in Yellow Springs last year. Not there?
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Re: Has Peak Oil Awareness Created an Energy Binge?

Unread postby Bytesmiths » Mon 30 Oct 2006, 16:13:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bytesmiths', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'I')n my case, I have taken six vacations in the last year.
Perhaps you're in denial. Think of where you might be if you had put that energy into self-sufficiency, instead of idle diversion?

"Denial" implies a misperception of the real sitution.
I agree. Perhaps it is more like one of the other stages of grief. But it sounds more like "preparation" than "vacation" to me:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'I') suppose I should clarify my "six vacations" comment. One was a trip to a weekend party-retreat with some musician friends, the other five were weekend trips to my region of birth, to visit family and seek out a place to live...
Yes, these seem like reasonable trips to make. I apologize for the "idle diversion" remark -- brought on by your own characterizations of the trips as "vacations!"

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'B')y the way, I looked for Veggie Van Gogh at the peak oil conference in Yellow Springs last year. Not there?I don't make such trips on my own dime. I sent them a presentation proposal, and they sent me the typical, "Your proposal was excellent, but we had so many this year" letter.

Instead, I spoke at Art of Community in Seattle, and attended Permaculture Teacher Training in southern Oregon. Plus we're still recovering from changing countries. We love it in Canada, but the workshop is totally disorganized, and we've only unpacked about half our stuff. I guess that means the other half isn't really necessary!

But I must admit, Peak Oil awareness did cause us significant changes -- like a trans-national move -- that did use additional energy. But I consider that an investment in the future, and am making steady progress toward a lower-energy existence.
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