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Unread postby k_semler » Mon 29 Nov 2004, 14:32:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')What does it matter to my specific genetic sequence if my family is informed, and has a better chance of survival? I do not ever intend to


Your intellectual arguments mean nothing against your genetic imperative. You would feel this if someone attacked your family at a family gathering. You can pretend on a board, but we all know better.


You proved my point, but if such an attack were to occur, you can bet your (whatever you value significantly), that I would start shooting at the attackers.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')return no profit? Children are a negative ROI. If I put that $100,000 in an IRA, I would have a nice retirement fund. Wasting my funds on a child, (or children), I see no return on my funds spent. Might as well have just burnt my money, and I would have had the same economic return.


Human life has no meaning and hence no value within the system. (Life in general has no meaning and for this the system destroys it.)

Thus your argument that children not having a good ROI may make logical sense, but can only advance the civilized system which also has no value for life. Not that I suggest running out and having kids in this world, but I do point to the effect of the sorts of evaluations you propose.

Human life has value primarily because that is what it is, life. Life cannot be bought, sold, or traded in, it is given. However, what logic is there in bringing into this world a child that I do not have sufficient economic resources to support anyhow, and would end up causing me bankruptcy? Considering my income level, and the cost just to sustain a child, procreation would be a foolish move on my behalf. I would endanger both my life, as well as the child's.

Also, life may be given, but do the children that are born into this world have a choice whether they wish to have this new life or not? No they are not. Some persons may think that the child wished to be brought into this world, but that is an unknown. It is not an item of consent for the child. Life is forced upon the child, and s/he has no choice in the matter. Also, beyond continued existence of the human race, what is the point in procreation? It would not matter one bit to the future of humanity as a whole if I do not procreate. There will be little effect on the race as a whole.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')through the down slide. For all I know, it could be TEOTWAWKI, or just a small bump on the long road to becoming a space-faring civilization. (Although I will bet you a dollar to a dough nut that it will be closer to TEOTWAWKI).


TEOTWAWKI will happen for certain. What world emerges in the future depends entirely on how we organize and think today. Have great care on the path you choose and realize the ramifications of your thoughts.


While I agree with you that TEOTWAWKI is almost a certainty, I disagree on how much of an impact I can have as an individual. Yes, I may help 2-10 persons survive the transitional phase, but it will matter very little to future generations. I would say that the recovery depends more upon the knowledge retained from the present era. Basic sanitation, basic medicine, and electricity have all contributed greatly to the ease our workload as well as the duration and quality of life for the average individual. IMHO, it would be rather irrelevant to retain the knowledge of the atmospheric composition of the planet Jupiter. Extra-terrestrial knowledge, or knowledge of subatomic particles will have very little influence on the ability to rebuild a sustainable modern society. It may severely increase the time required to become a space faring civilization, but chances are that will never happen anyhow.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')And what is wrong with no emotional attachment to anything? It just leads to betrayal anyhow, and I do not want to be betrayed once again like I


You don't know what anything leads to. Please quit pretending.

You can have "no emotional attachments" if you so desire. In my post I sad that "unreturned emotional attachment" causes harm, for it has no balance. The "American Dream" meets this criteria because it operates in violation of universal law. I certainly don't want you to get suckered again.


let me rephrase myself. I would prefer not to develop any further emotional attachments. Yes, emotional attachments do exist for family members, my life, my pets, certain places, and some personal belongings. Eventually, even these attachments will end due to death, destruction of property, or many other factors. Taking this into consideration, I consider it preferable to not extend my emotional commitments beyond their current scope. Further emotional attachments to persons, locations, animals, or belongings will only weaken my chances for survival by acting as a distraction from critical situations. Commitment beyond current attachments would provide nothing but a burden to endure when it eventually ends.

Also, please define the universal law. I have not heard of this phenomenon.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')And that is different from now in which way? All people will exploit one another for any minuscule advantage. "Friendship" is just a waste of time that has virtually no benefit to me as a creature of life.


I didn't mention any differences. I thought I clearly said "acknowledge this in modern humans." Those outside of the system do not behave in this manner because they perform a different valuation that those inside. You can pretend otherwise if you want, but I would suggest getting some real evidence.

Evidence: 419 scams, supposed "loans" that never get paid, theft, Bill Clinton, taxation by Idaho when I don't even live there but work less than 100 yds across the border, mail in rebates, telemarketing scams, Enron, the USSR (when it existed).

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')What I desire will not happen. What I desire is an endless supply of energy, and no more energy wars. I also want my hope in the future restored. I want the dream that Star Trek will someday be real. I want the promise of a forever expanding economy. I want the dream of a comfortable retirement with a very healthy 401k. I want the hope of wealth. None of these will happen, just the dismal future that is unraveling now. What is there left to hope for? A fast and painless death before I am so old that I can no longer sustain myself?

All things come and go. The universe works this way.

Of course your "perfect happiness" does not exist. Your demand for it causes all the problems in the first place. Take this demand, and multiply it by 6 billion and you come to a pretty quick conclusion of why the world works as it does right now. You rail because you can find "No way out." But you do not consider accepting that as one of your base premises about life because secretly, you think you will find a way out.

Yeah, right. There is no way out. Not even light can escape from the immense gravitational pull of a black hole. The down slide of hubbert's peak is that black hole, and we are being sucked in as we speak. Unfortunately, it will not be like that movie where there is another universe on the other side. It will simply be the end of the industrial era. You do illustrate how the current situation developed thought. 6+ billion persons wanting a better life. Which I understand. I would not want to live in squalor looking for food among the trash with the rest of the bums on the street.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', 'I')t will not happen.

You have come to the end of hope, a laudable achievement! Go further! What does the end of hope really mean? What does it change about what you consider "life" and "living"? What does it mean for "time"?

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Life sucks then you die, and living is a waste of time. There is only about one reason I am still on this earth. That is because I believe that suicide is a sin in the eyes of God. If He wants me dead, then I will die. If he does not, then I shall live. I really do not care anymore. Life sucks, if I could have chosen prior to my birth to fore go the opportunity of living, I would have. I just hope that God kills me in a fast and painless way before I witness TSHTF.

And on that note, time to smoke a bowl, and drink a few beers in preparation for work tomorrow. Life may suck, but by God, I will not remember just how much it sucked.
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Unread postby k_semler » Mon 29 Nov 2004, 14:36:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', 'k')_semler wrote:

return no profit? Children are a negative ROI. If I put that $100,000 in an IRA, I would have a nice retirement fund. Wasting my funds on a child, (or children), I see no return on my funds spent. Might as well have just burnt my money, and I would have had the same economic return.



Human life has no meaning and hence no value within the system. (Life in general has no meaning and for this the system destroys it.)

Thus your argument that children not having a good ROI may make logical sense, but can only advance the civilized system which also has no value for life. Not that I suggest running out and having kids in this world, but I do point to the effect of the sorts of evaluations you propose.


^Fixed part I meant to quote^
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Unread postby entropyfails » Mon 29 Nov 2004, 15:59:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')You proved my point, but if such an attack were to occur, you can bet your (whatever you value significantly), that I would start shooting at the attackers.


You attack the attackers because they put yourself and your family in immediate danger. It would help you if your family coordinated on killing the bad guys. Likewise, a family educated on peak oil and what it means will have a better chance of survival than you alone. So I didn't prove anything and you missed the point.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '
')Human life has no meaning and hence no value within the system. (Life in general has no meaning and for this the system destroys it.)


Human life has value primarily because that is what it is, life. Life cannot be bought, sold, or traded in, it is given. However, what logic is there in bringing into this world a child that I do not have sufficient economic resources to support anyhow, and would end up causing me bankruptcy? Considering my income level, and the cost just to sustain a child, procreation would be a foolish move on my behalf. I would endanger both my life, as well as the child's.


*laugh* I love your appeal to logic while making errors in your fundamental premise! You have a good mind, though it seems a little boxed in to me.

If "Life cannot be bought, sold, or traded" then it has no value. This contradicts your premise of "life has value because its life."

The system only cares about things with "meaning" or "purpose". I can "use" this for this purpose so its worth "this" amount of money. Even in the era of slavery, you had to calculate amount of work vs. amount of food and board. These serve as the inputs and outputs of the living system, so they valued the results of the living process, not life itself.

Though I agree that certainly doesn't mean "go out and have another kid" in these days.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')Also, life may be given, but do the children that are born into this world have a choice whether they wish to have this new life or not? No they are not. Some persons may think that the child wished to be brought into this world, but that is an unknown. It is not an item of consent for the child. Life is forced upon the child, and s/he has no choice in the matter. Also, beyond continued existence of the human race, what is the point in procreation? It would not matter one bit to the future of humanity as a whole if I do not procreate. There will be little effect on the race as a whole.


Exactly. Life has no meaning and hence no value in the system. Life's decisions, while bound by the material, have not meaning within the material. You have to watch which information space we you want to talk about very carefully.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')While I agree with you that TEOTWAWKI is almost a certainty, I disagree on how much of an impact I can have as an individual. Yes, I may help 2-10 persons survive the transitional phase, but it will matter very little to future generations. I would say that the recovery depends more upon the knowledge retained from the present era. Basic sanitation, basic medicine, and electricity have all contributed greatly to the ease our workload as well as the duration and quality of life for the average individual. IMHO, it would be rather irrelevant to retain the knowledge of the atmospheric composition of the planet Jupiter. Extra-terrestrial knowledge or knowledge of subatomic particles will have very little influence on the ability to rebuild a sustainable modern society. It may severely increase the time required to become a space faring civilization, but chances are that will never happen anyhow.


You do not understand how future generations will look back on those with the strength to stand up against this entire system and refuse it while blazing a trail forward that will help life and enhance it. You do, however, understand what they will think of the wasteful, SUV driving, consumptive monsters of our time. Humanity will see its greatest Women and Men in the next 50 years.

Sir, you have a choice to join those women and men. Stand up! Reject your limited duality and start doing what needs to be done. To your family, to friends, to the masses. If you do not choose this way, then the system will crash will all of the expected results.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')
let me rephrase myself. I would prefer not to develop any further emotional attachments. Yes, emotional attachments do exist for family members, my life, my pets, certain places, and some personal belongings. Eventually, even these attachments will end due to death, destruction of property, or many other factors. Taking this into consideration, I consider it preferable to not extend my emotional commitments beyond their current scope. Further emotional attachments to persons, locations, animals, or belongings will only weaken my chances for survival by acting as a distraction from critical situations. Commitment beyond current attachments would provide nothing but a burden to endure when it eventually ends.


Bah. You feel perfectly "happy" with your present situation and you have decided that you don’t' want it to change. You want it to last forever. So you pretend, strive, struggle against all other life forms. You want to believe otherwise, but part of you knows you are bullshitting.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')Also, please define the universal law. I have not heard of this phenomenon.


You certainly have. Causality.

The American Dream promises limitless growth in a finite environment. Thus it overgrows and collapses. Cause, effect.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')
Evidence: 419 scams, supposed "loans" that never get paid, theft, Bill Clinton, taxation by Idaho when I don't even live there but work less than 100 yds across the border, mail in rebates, telemarketing scams, Enron, the USSR (when it existed).


All well within the system. I asked for examples OUTSIDE the system.

You can run, but you cannot hide. *smile*

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')Which I understand. I would not want to live in squalor looking for food among the trash with the rest of the bums on the street.


Exactly, which makes you part of the problem. You would rather not continue down this path, I sense. Why do you have such empathy with those that seem so monstrous to you? You must recognize the monster within.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')Life sucks then you die, and living is a waste of time. There is only about one reason I am still on this earth. That is because I believe that suicide is a sin in the eyes of God. If He wants me dead, then I will die. If he does not, then I shall live. I really do not care anymore. Life sucks, if I could have chosen prior to my birth to fore go the opportunity of living, I would have. I just hope that God kills me in a fast and painless way before I witness TSHTF.


The Universe, God, Whatever, does not want you to live or die. Life has no value, so no desires can arise from its presence or absence. It has no worth.

However, this presents us with a choice. We can choose to value everything in the universe then, because our distinctions on "life" have no meaning. We have to treat the trees as ourselves, the rocks as ourselves, everything we see and do, touch and taste. If you do this, you will pay attention to more of your surroundings. Then, perhaps, if you get lucky, you may even stop for one single second. Life will grab you and kill the "you" like a live wire. And with its absence, another destroyer gets replaced with a living organism, content to survive.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')And on that note, time to smoke a bowl, and drink a few beers in preparation for work tomorrow. Life may suck, but by God, I will not remember just how much it sucked.

You always remember, you refuse to stop remembering.

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Unread postby k_semler » Tue 30 Nov 2004, 12:59:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')You proved my point, but if such an attack were to occur, you can bet your (whatever you value significantly), that I would start shooting at the attackers.


You attack the attackers because they put yourself and your family in immediate danger. It would help you if your family coordinated on killing the bad guys. Likewise, a family educated on peak oil and what it means will have a better chance of survival than you alone. So I didn't prove anything and you missed the point.


Yes, a community survival situation would be more apt to survive than an individual attempting to survive by his/her self. However, using an objective point of view, my immediate family would not be the best group to count on for survival. My father has high blood pressure, and requires his medicine daily just to survive. He has had 3 cardiac arrests, and survived. My mother has never fired a round in her life at even a beer can, and my sister has never even spent a weekend camping.

My family unit is severely lacking in ability to survive. My grandfather would provide a valuable asset though, he began farming in 1931 with only horse drawn equipment. This would be a very valuable piece of knowledge to be aware of, as the amount of diesel fuel available will be far less than now. Other than having a very well stocked armament, the situation that my immediate family is in is little better than the average suburbanite. I do not consider it much of a feat to survive without electricity for 2 weeks out of a year. I have went on hunting trips for longer than that.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '
')Human life has no meaning and hence no value within the system. (Life in general has no meaning and for this the system destroys it.)


Human life has value primarily because that is what it is, life. Life cannot be bought, sold, or traded in, it is given. However, what logic is there in bringing into this world a child that I do not have sufficient economic resources to support anyhow, and would end up causing me bankruptcy? Considering my income level, and the cost just to sustain a child, procreation would be a foolish move on my behalf. I would endanger both my life, as well as the child's.


*laugh* I love your appeal to logic while making errors in your fundamental premise! You have a good mind, though it seems a little boxed in to me.

If "Life cannot be bought, sold, or traded" then it has no value. This contradicts your premise of "life has value because its life."

The system only cares about things with "meaning" or "purpose". I can "use" this for this purpose so its worth "this" amount of money. Even in the era of slavery, you had to calculate amount of work vs. amount of food and board. These serve as the inputs and outputs of the living system, so they valued the results of the living process, not life itself.

Though I agree that certainly doesn't mean "go out and have another kid" in these days.

Yes, as far as the capitalistic system is concerned, the value of a life is a direct outcome of the contributions of that life to the economy versus the cost to sustain that life. Children, contributing virtually nothing to the economy, are a negative investment. Adults generally contribute to the economy at a much greater rate than the funds required to sustain their life, and show positive ROI. If child labor were to be re-introduced into the economy, then children would also yield a positive ROI. Since this will not happen, children shall remain a negative investment that only deplete our economic reserves.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')Also, life may be given, but do the children that are born into this world have a choice whether they wish to have this new life or not? No they are not. Some persons may think that the child wished to be brought into this world, but that is an unknown. It is not an item of consent for the child. Life is forced upon the child, and s/he has no choice in the matter. Also, beyond continued existence of the human race, what is the point in procreation? It would not matter one bit to the future of humanity as a whole if I do not procreate. There will be little effect on the race as a whole.


Exactly. Life has no meaning and hence no value in the system. Life's decisions, while bound by the material, have not meaning within the material.

See above.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', 'Y')ou have to watch which information space we you want to talk about very carefully.

Please rephrase, I do not understand this sentence.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')While I agree with you that TEOTWAWKI is almost a certainty, I disagree on how much of an impact I can have as an individual. Yes, I may help 2-10 persons survive the transitional phase, but it will matter very little to future generations. I would say that the recovery depends more upon the knowledge retained from the present era. Basic sanitation, basic medicine, and electricity have all contributed greatly to the ease our workload as well as the duration and quality of life for the average individual. IMHO, it would be rather irrelevant to retain the knowledge of the atmospheric composition of the planet Jupiter. Extra-terrestrial knowledge or knowledge of subatomic particles will have very little influence on the ability to rebuild a sustainable modern society. It may severely increase the time required to become a space faring civilization, but chances are that will never happen anyhow.


You do not understand how future generations will look back on those with the strength to stand up against this entire system and refuse it while blazing a trail forward that will help life and enhance it. You do, however, understand what they will think of the wasteful, SUV driving, consumptive monsters of our time. Humanity will see its greatest Women and Men in the next 50 years.

Sir, you have a choice to join those women and men. Stand up! Reject your limited duality and start doing what needs to be done. To your family, to friends, to the masses. If you do not choose this way, then the system will crash will all of the expected results.


Regardless of what I accomplish on a small scale, I shall be forgotten within 2 generations of my death. Unless I commit a very horrendous act, or greatly revolutionize the world with my theories and inventions, I will have never existed as far as history is concerned. I highly doubt that I have the capacity to greatly benefit society with my theories or inventions, as I do not have the necessary experience or education to influence the outcome of humanity to any level. Also, I do not exactly advocate vaporising a city, or committing some other atrocity to be remembered by history. Given these reasons, it is highly probable that I will be forgotten by history. Very little of what I do will have any consequence on future generations. I also am quite comfortable keeping my mind in a box. If it is in a box, then it cannot be degraded, mutated, or unrecognizingly changed.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')
let me rephrase myself. I would prefer not to develop any further emotional attachments. Yes, emotional attachments do exist for family members, my life, my pets, certain places, and some personal belongings. Eventually, even these attachments will end due to death, destruction of property, or many other factors. Taking this into consideration, I consider it preferable to not extend my emotional commitments beyond their current scope. Further emotional attachments to persons, locations, animals, or belongings will only weaken my chances for survival by acting as a distraction from critical situations. Commitment beyond current attachments would provide nothing but a burden to endure when it eventually ends.


Bah. You feel perfectly "happy" with your present situation and you have decided that you don’t' want it to change. You want it to last forever. So you pretend, strive, struggle against all other life forms. You want to believe otherwise, but part of you knows you are bullshitting.


Yes, I do want my lifestyle to last until the end of my natural life span. I would rather worry about who is going to become the president, (which will have almost no effect on me directly), than to worry about the precipitation rate, and if I will have enough of a crop this year to avert starvation. I would rather worry about how many miles are on my car, then worry about forceful protection of my property. I would rather have a mature 401k with $2,000,000 to live on for 15 years, then contemplate how I am going to manage to survive when I am to old and feeble to farm my land. I would rather worry about the cost of health insurance, then to worry about the availability of essential medical care.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')Also, please define the universal law. I have not heard of this phenomenon.


You certainly have. Causality.

The American Dream promises limitless growth in a finite environment. Thus it overgrows and collapses. Cause, effect.


OK, I understand causality. I did not know you were referring to cause -> effect.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')
Evidence: 419 scams, supposed "loans" that never get paid, theft, Bill Clinton, taxation by Idaho when I don't even live there but work less than 100 yds across the border, mail in rebates, telemarketing scams, Enron, the USSR (when it existed).


All well within the system. I asked for examples OUTSIDE the system.

You can run, but you cannot hide. *smile*


I am not aware of any, as I have not come into individuals that are completely outside of the globalist society. The closest example to exploitation of other humans outside the globalist system is the DPRK.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')Which I understand. I would not want to live in squalor looking for food among the trash with the rest of the bums on the street.


Exactly, which makes you part of the problem. You would rather not continue down this path, I sense. Why do you have such empathy with those that seem so monstrous to you? You must recognize the monster within.


If I wished to live in squalor, then I would do so. You also have the opportunity to live in squalor. Simply move out of your residence, destroy all your belongings, only posses the clothes on your back, do not seek modern medical aid, and do not bathe. You will then be living in squalor. As far as sympathizing with the enemy, it is accomplished a comparison to what is now, to what will be in the post peak world. We now enjoy electricity, speed of transportation, modern medicine, sanitary foods, safe water, etc.

For a post-peak world, I expect little better than the current situation in Flint, Michigan on a global scale in a best scenario, and for a worst case scenario, watch the movie The Day After. Either way, the world will be changed drastically. Whether it happens by a slow crash, (Flint Michigan), or a fast crash, (The Day After), is an unknown. What is known is that a post-peak world will be very different than today's situation. I would rather have today's routine last for the remainder of my natural life, then to endure either collapse scenario.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')Life sucks then you die, and living is a waste of time. There is only about one reason I am still on this earth. That is because I believe that suicide is a sin in the eyes of God. If He wants me dead, then I will die. If he does not, then I shall live. I really do not care anymore. Life sucks, if I could have chosen prior to my birth to fore go the opportunity of living, I would have. I just hope that God kills me in a fast and painless way before I witness TSHTF.


The Universe, God, Whatever, does not want you to live or die. Life has no value, so no desires can arise from its presence or absence. It has no worth.
You do not know this, as you are not God. Although from my POV, I would agree with you that my presence or absence from this world does not matter one bit no matter what I do or do not accomplish.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', 'H')owever, this presents us with a choice. We can choose to value everything in the universe then, because our distinctions on "life" have no meaning. We have to treat the trees as ourselves, the rocks as ourselves, everything we see and do, touch and taste. If you do this, you will pay attention to more of your surroundings. Then, perhaps, if you get lucky, you may even stop for one single second. Life will grab you and kill the "you" like a live wire. And with its absence, another destroyer gets replaced with a living organism, content to survive.
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Why show respect for inert objects that cannot provide any benefit to humanity? Resources exist for unknown reasons, and we, (as humans), consume these resources as necessary to survive. It will not matter one bit in the universe once the human race has become an extinct species. The universe will continue on just as it always has. In the grand scheme of the universe, Earth and other planets within our solar system have virtually no influence on the universe as a whole. Polaris would not notice any difference if Sol ceased to exist, and likewise, the instantaneous destruction of Polaris would have no effect on either Sol or the Earth. We would no longer have a north star, but in a few thousand years, Polaris will no longer be our north star anyhow due to the precession of the earth's axis.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('entropyfails', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('k_semler', '
')And on that note, time to smoke a bowl, and drink a few beers in preparation for work tomorrow. Life may suck, but by God, I will not remember just how much it sucked.

You always remember, you refuse to stop remembering.
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I wish I could forget how much life sucks. The future seems pretty glim from this current viewpoint. All marijuana does to me anyhow is make me tired. Alcohol is the real savior.
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Unread postby Guest » Thu 02 Dec 2004, 16:38:28

Well,...

isn't this a touchy feely little forum....

LIFE'S A BITCH AND THEN YOU DIE!!! FACE IT!!!

While youz are crying yourselves asking why life is unfair, a guy will come from behind, shoot you in the head, enslave your girl for cheap labor and sexual favros (that he in turn sells), and smoke the remainder of the world's cuban cigar supply.

The frist thing about peak ol is to be ready for a fight,... NOT THE RESSOURCE WAR, but a fight close to home. Your worst ennemy is your neighbor, get ready for it.

As soon as you start crying over it, GAME OVER! The first to pull the trigger wins! (remember when you where a kid and you where dreaming of being in a western movie --- well, here it is! Careful what you wish for huh?!).

I share all your frustrationis, my son is 1-1/2 year old, and I feel my decisions in the next five years is not a questioin of whether or not he passes school and becomes successful, its a question of him having just a CAHNCE at surviving the unforgiving life that awaits him.

It is my sole responsibility and goal in life to give him the best chance I can possibly give, the rest (including myself fand whatever things I could have done or should have done), is not important.

Forget going on vacation, buy yuorself a gun and stock up on bullets NOW! No time to cry, get ready... it aint going to be pretty.
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