[Jester]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'I')m happy being "stupid".
Funny how all these elite brains cant even manage a country. They instead run it into the ground. So much for intelligent advanced thinking. what happened? Maybe paying to much attention to spelling and trivial pursuits and not on the constitution or resource management.
Im livin like a Sardinian.

[formandfile]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Phebagirl', 'G')ood day from Pheba from the farm:
I just have question about all of this:

If this works and we stop the illegal immigrants from coming to this country, who is going to pick my lettuce?

You ever pick lettuce?

Time-consuming, hot, tedious, back breaking, hard physical labor.

There is not a legal American alive who is willing to pick lettuce for a living.

[ironborne]

I have never picked lettuce. When I first moved to the Southwest I worked for a company that harvested pecans. We had some equipment for use in sorting but a person still visually inspected the nuts for quality and sorted many by hand. Most of the time you were in an orchard or a yard pulling a rake.

The idea that we need people to do our work is ridiculous. I don't work at that company anymore but I still harvest the pecans off my trees.

[pea-jay]

Along with the "those immigrants are ruining our country" crowd, the line about doing them doing "the work that americans wont do" irks me to no end.

Its not the immigrants per say that are the problem, rather it is the entire rotten system that is at fault. There is no such thing as a job that an american won't do. There are plenty of jobs that americans won't do for exceedingly low wages, lack of benefits and poor working conditions, due in part to a surplus of labor willing to undercut the average american worker. Here's a thought for the free market types. Stop distorting the market place with cheap expendable labor and let wages adjust accordingly.

THis country has acquired a dependence on cheap labor, much like its dependence on cheap energy. Both come with huge environmental and social costs. Both are unsustainable.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pea-jay', 'S')top distorting the market place with cheap expendable labor and let wages adjust accordingly.

[Chaparral]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pea-jay', 'S')top distorting the market place with cheap expendable labor and let wages adjust accordingly.

[Chaparral]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Phebagirl', 'G')ood day from Pheba from the farm: I just have question about all of this: If this works and we stop the illegal immigrants from coming to this country, who is going to pick my lettuce?
You ever pick lettuce? Time-consuming, hot, tedious, back breaking, hard physical labor. There is not a legal American alive who is willing to pick lettuce for a living. Pheba

[Wickan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush signed a bill Thursday authorizing the construction of a fence along one-third of the 2,100-mile (3,360-kilometer) U.S. border with Mexico, but missing from the legislation is a means to pay for it.

"Unfortunately, the United States has not been in complete control of its borders for decades and therefore illegal immigration has been on the rise," Bush said before signing the measure in the White House's Roosevelt Room. "Ours is a nation of immigrants. We're also a nation of law.

[AgentR]

Congress scared some of us on the right by sitting on it for a number of days before sending it to the Prez.

To me, it looks like a very carefully orchestrated set of activities over the two weeks before the mid term elections.

Dems beat up on Reps. Social Reps get glum and think none of their issues are being advanced.. (but they are now THINKING about their issues.) Then Bush and Rove trot out a sequence of treats ranging from the MCA, to the Border Fence, to NJ's court case, Saddam's sentencing, dropping "stay the course"; introduction of "Iraqi Benchmarks", etc.

I think, perhaps, the Dems once again, shot their powder too soon. Breaking the Foley story now would have really taken the Reps out of their stride.

We'll know it a week and a half.

[TITAN]

It is a stupid idea to only fence off 1/3 of the border, talk about a less than half-assed solution to one of the biggest problems with this country.

bush will not go much further with this, other than signing the stupid thing...

We could take the money from 1 MONTHS-worth of the Iraq war and build a 20 foot tall 1 foot thick CONCRETE WALL with armed guard towers every 500 yards and pay to have them manned for 10 years.

Vicente Fox likening this 'fence' to the Berlin wall is ludicrous! What a fucking idiot; he must really believe the us and Mexico are one country.

[AgentR]

You take the pieces you can get, as you can get them.

700 miles of border fence is what many would call progress.

Seeing Fox throw a fit is priceless.

[emersonbiggins]

Fences do two things: keep people out and, perhaps more importantly in this case, keep people in.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'F')ences do two things: keep people out and, perhaps more importantly in this case, keep people in.

[TITAN]

By my quick calculations, it would cost less than 15 billion for:

2100 miles of concrete wall, 1 ft x 20 ft = $1,000,000,000 (including infrastructure: electrical, plumbing etc.)

7400 guard towers at approximately $200,000 a piece

Approximately 45,000 personnel with wages ranging from $25,000- $30,000 per year, for 10 years.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'F')ences do two things: keep people out and, perhaps more importantly in this case, keep people in.

[evilmonkeyspanker]

25000.00 Dear Lord, you are way to generous. I say we have some mexican day laborers take care of manning the towers.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('evilmonkeyspanker', '2')5000.00 Dear Lord, you are way to generous. I say we have some mexican day laborers take care of manning the towers.

[WhipperSnapper]

I think this is just more Congressional symbolism over substance. If the government really wanted to end mass illegal immigration it could do it.

It could start by jailing employers who knowingly or recklessly hire illegals, then the Constitution could be amended to say that if an infant's parents were here illegaly, birth on the soil does not confer citizenship, ending the anchor baby problem.

[TommyJefferson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WhipperSnapper', 'I') think this is just more Congressional symbolism over substance. If the government really wanted to end mass illegal immigration it could do it.

[artiko]

It is a stupid idea - like in communist East Berlin...