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Re: Congrats, ALCzervik

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Sat 21 Oct 2006, 20:15:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'J')oviality is a game of children.
jeez, what a sourpuss!
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Re: Congrats, ALCzervik

Postby bobcousins » Sun 22 Oct 2006, 19:02:10

The Tigers looked like they had forgotten how to play in last night's game, the Cards were on a roll. Let's hope the Tigers get their noodle back otherwise the Cards will sweep them. The Tigers did say they prefer to be underdogs, so maybe they will fight back.

I am not sure I can stay up every night for a week anyway... I fall asleep around the sixth usually.
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Re: Congrats, ALCzervik

Postby PenultimateManStanding » Sun 22 Oct 2006, 19:22:58

The Cards are a strange team. They seemed the weakest going into the playoffs but they surprised everybody. It's like they turn into something else in the post season.
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Re: Congrats, ALCzervik

Postby AlCzervik » Mon 23 Oct 2006, 09:44:42

Thanks, man. Was in Vegas a few weeks ago and the entire sportsbook was chanting "Yankees suck, Yankees suck" when we punked them in Game 4 to advance. I cannot believe we wiped out the A's so quickly. I think we are in big trouble against Stl, even though the series is split. Their aces are coming up on the mound the next two games, so I hope for a split.
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Detroit's last chain supermarket closing its doors

Postby emersonbiggins » Thu 12 Jul 2007, 13:45:08

That's right, a city of some 850,000 no longer has the wherewithal to keep a chain grocery store open. This should be the bohemian dream: an opportunity for relocalization of the food distribution and sales network but, sadly, this ending is likely in the cards for most cities (& indeed suburbs) of the 21st century.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Grocery closings hit Detroit hard City shoppers' choices dwindle as last big chain leaves. National chains stay away from Detroit
Here are some reasons cited by national retail experts on why brand supermarket chains avoid Detroit:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '#') Net profits at supermarkets run 1-5 percent of revenue. If shoplifting by customers and employees runs 7-8 percent, the store is doomed to lose money.
# High cost of maintaining security for the stores, something most suburban locations don't need. Shopping carts often disappear, at a cost of $300 per cart.
# Personal safety for employees, with robberies, thefts and assaults both inside and outside the stores.
# Difficulty finding qualified managers willing to run Detroit stores. Most prefer the suburban locations.
# Problems seeking qualified workers for the stores. It can be a major undertaking to find employees who can pass reading, writing and math tests along with credit, criminal background and drug tests. And there is a constant turnover of employees at stores in the city. "It's a human resource nightmare," said David J. Livingston, a supermarket expert from Wisconsin.
# Declining population. No national chain wants to move into an area that is losing population.
# Lower per-capita income. That means less expenditure on food.
# Racism and discrimination accusations. If the store raises its prices because of higher costs of doing business, it is often charged with gouging the poor.
# A well-publicized violent crime or armed robbery can cost the store 10 percent of its business. Three such crimes, experts say, and the store may as well close its doors.
Source: Supermarket experts

Brandy Baker / The Detroit News
DETROIT -- Colleen Rogers isn't looking forward to crossing the street to shop for even a few groceries. The store, a locally owned market, is convenient, just steps away from the beauty shop where she works on Livernois in Detroit. But what troubles her is its higher prices, lack of variety and the low quality of fruit, vegetables, meats and other food -- staples Rogers could find every day in abundance at the Farmer Jack store near her home that is about to close.

"Sure, there's other grocery stores, but try finding something to eat in there," said the 34-year-old skin care specialist. "You can't buy quality food in the city anymore."
The lack of major grocery stores has long been a quality-of-life problem in Detroit and one reason some families don't want to live in the city. Now, however, the situation is getting worse as the last two Farmer Jack stores in the city prepare to close by Saturday.

If no grocery stores buy the Farmer Jack locations from the Great Atlantic & Pacific Tea Co., Detroit will be left without a single national chain supermarket, much less a Wal-Mart or Meijer superstore or a Costco-style warehouse store.
Analysts say no other major city in America is such a supermarket desert. And it's not likely to change anytime soon. ...
Detroit News
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Re: Detroit's last chain supermarket closing its doors

Postby Plantagenet » Thu 12 Jul 2007, 14:10:16

Now the shoplifters will have to travel all the way to the suburbs to get to the big supermarkets.
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Re: Detroit's last chain supermarket closing its doors

Postby Fishman » Thu 12 Jul 2007, 14:45:31

Classic liberal unintended consequences:
Cops are racist pigs, consequence, no cops or cops unwilling to act due to litigation, crime rampant.
Victim mentality, I'm not responsible for my actions, why does the world then collapse around me?
Corporations are evil, oh wait, what do I do without them? Where are the Ben and Jerry's in Detroit?
Sue everything in sight, call racist all the time, why do they not want to do business with me anymore?
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Re: Detroit's last chain supermarket closing its doors

Postby Nickel » Thu 12 Jul 2007, 14:51:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'C')lassic liberal unintended consequences:
Cops are racist pigs, consequence, no cops or cops unwilling to act due to litigation, crime rampant.
Victim mentality, I'm not responsible for my actions, why does the world then collapse around me?
Corporations are evil, oh wait, what do I do without them? Where are the Ben and Jerry's in Detroit?
Sue everything in sight, call racist all the time, why do they not want to do business with me anymore?

You left out "blow up everything in sight, kill Arabs, Asians, Africans, and Latin Americans all the time, "why do they hate us?""
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Re: Detroit's last chain supermarket closing its doors

Postby Fishman » Thu 12 Jul 2007, 15:05:26

Yea Nickel, we're the bad guys.
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Re: Detroit's last chain supermarket closing its doors

Postby Nickel » Thu 12 Jul 2007, 15:11:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fishman', 'Y')ea Nickel, we're the bad guys.

Seems to be the global consensus nowadays, yes.
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Re: Detroit's last chain supermarket closing its doors

Postby I_Like_Plants » Thu 12 Jul 2007, 15:35:35

Hell I lived in Scottsdale, AZ for a while and at the market I went to, a large chain, the drunks and panhandlers were so aggressive I often asked for "help carrying my groceries out to the car' - they had this one bag-boy, anyone remember the cartoon character Baby Huey? He looked like a boy, a 6'5" HUGE boy. He sure knew the drill, he was the favored escort, lol. If it weren't for that service, I'd have had to carry pepper spray or a sidearm. This was an all-white area. This was a largely Republican area.
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Re: Detroit's last chain supermarket closing its doors

Postby Plantagenet » Thu 12 Jul 2007, 15:37:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nickel', ' ')US seen as bigger threat to peace than Iran

Can't you read? hat isn't why the supermarket chain left Detroit. They left because there was so much crime their stores were losing money and they couldn't find workers willing to put up with the hassle of working there. If Detroit wants supermarkets, then they better get a grip on the crime problem in Detroit.
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Re: Detroit's last chain supermarket closing its doors

Postby Plantagenet » Thu 12 Jul 2007, 15:44:32

On my last vacation to Florida I went into a Chain drug store in a city center. The staff and the shoppers were largely black. They caught a shoplifter (big strong young black guy with low-rider pants and a muscle shirt---a big strong young black guy on the drug store staff had to grab him and fight him and wrestle him into a locked back room while he was verbally abusive and fighting to run off with some stolen AA batteries).

A big fight over $10 worth of batteries. The staff said it happened all the time. They were really nice people, but who would want to work there? I understand why stores in inner cities can't stay open.
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Re: Detroit's last chain supermarket closing its doors

Postby I_Like_Plants » Thu 12 Jul 2007, 16:07:56

move to all-white small town Amurrika and you will see the same thing.
Prescott, AZ - bead shop, the one with the really badly painted dinosaur on the sign. Owner says theft is a horrible problem. Clientele all white.
Scottsdale AZ - just down from Motorola building, the aforementioned problems with being mugged for your groceries/wallet. I didn't look around to see shoplifting but I have a feeling there was PLENTY.

Swapmeet in small-town AZ, a yuppish white couple telling me with pride how they stole the Denny's coffee cups from Denny's. Periodic sweeps by police, who'd find all kinds of stolen stuff there. Swapmeet sellers and clientele 95% white at least. Nonwhites tended to be local mexicans/indians not selling stolen stuff.
However, I'm not saying there aren't a lot of American blacks who act like shitheads - they're so deracinated they act like American lower class whites.
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Re: Detroit's last chain supermarket closing its doors

Postby The_Toecutter » Thu 12 Jul 2007, 16:12:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t can be a major undertaking to find employees who can pass reading, writing and math tests along with credit, criminal background and drug tests.

Maybe if they'd get their noses out of people's private lives, they'd have many more wiling to work there.
They deserve to go out of business.
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Re: Detroit's last chain supermarket closing its doors

Postby canis_lupus » Thu 12 Jul 2007, 16:35:41

...because a business there to make money isn't going to care about employees who can't count money, spell their names, and get high before ripping off inventory.

:cry:

hey, btw, "willing" has two l's in it
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Re: Detroit's last chain supermarket closing its doors

Postby Fishman » Thu 12 Jul 2007, 16:53:33

Toecutter
They didn't go out of business, they still operate but not in that area.
If they don't do the drug screen, criminal background and something happens the store gets sued.
If they don't do the credit check they run a much higher risk of theft.
So tell me again why they should "get their noses out of people's private lives "?
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Re: Detroit's last chain supermarket closing its doors

Postby Nickel » Thu 12 Jul 2007, 16:57:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'M')aybe if they'd get their noses out of people's private lives, they'd have many more wiling to work there.

I'm with you. Yeah, it’s getting nuts down there. I have a friend in Louisiana and a couple of years ago she sent me email that said, “well, I passed my drug test; I’m hired at Wal-mart”. And I’m like, you’ve got to be kidding me. You have to piss in a cup just to stock shelves in a department store down there? Yeah, I guess I could see it if you were flying a jet liner with 250 other people betting their lives on you, but to put pretzels on a shelf? That’s just a police state mentality. I don’t know why people put up with that.
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Re: Detroit's last chain supermarket closing its doors

Postby Plantagenet » Thu 12 Jul 2007, 17:13:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Nickel', 'I') passed my drug test; I’m hired at Wal-mart.” And I’m like, you’ve got to be kidding me. You have to piss in a cup just to stock shelves in a department store

If you can't pass the drug test or otherwise aren't qualified to work for Wal-Mart, then don't apply for work for Wal-Mart.
Wal-Mart believes that employees who use illegal drugs are more likely to shoplift and steal from them.

Meanwhile, the people of Detroit would like to have a Wal-Mart or other supermarket, but the last supermarket chain has just been driven out by the high level of shoplifting and other crime there.
See the connection? 8)
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Re: Detroit's last chain supermarket closing its doors

Postby vision-master » Thu 12 Jul 2007, 18:26:46

I think smokers should be banned from employment too.
Matter of fact, let's check credit scores to weed out some more bad-apples.

Oh, and I forgot, check those medical records too, some poor applicant may have a history of heart problems. We sure don't want one of our emplyee's cacking on the production floor.
Overweight - forget it. Sorry, no jobs here bucko.
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