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and RGR, cars don't run on hydrogen alone. you need a little carbon in the mix to make it into gasoline hello? That's what is running out, if you haven't noticed.
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Re: value of stamps, oil paintings, antiques etc after PO
by ReserveGrowthRulz » Sat 21 Oct 2006, 23:16:06
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and RGR, cars don't run on hydrogen alone. you need a little carbon in the mix to make it into gasoline hello? That's what is running out, if you haven't noticed.
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and RGR, cars don't run on hydrogen alone. you need a little carbon in the mix to make it into gasoline hello? That's what is running out, if you haven't noticed.
The guy on the news last night was running his car on HYDROGEN, some old Ford Taurus it looked like. No gasoline involved there. I imagine there was motor oil in it though.
Didn't you catch the news PStarr? $150G's, the guy was completely off grid, had hydrogen storage tanks stacked up in his backyard, the whole deal. It was quite interesting.
How much petroleum and other fossil fuels enabled this "off the grid" lifestyle? What energy went into cracking that hydrogen from water? His "off the grid" status is only workable assuming the petroleum infrastructure already in place.
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I don't know the "crude" cost as it were, for this guy to go off grid, but it struck me as wonderful experiment, just the sort required for the solutions to this mess to be sorted out. My beef with it was the actual space required, the guy had these propane looking tanks just LAYING around a yard, looked like a dozen of them. Nice gravel laid down, it was a better looking facility than the last couple of tank pads I checked out during a conference field trip. Hardly the kind of thing your average suburbanite can fit into his backyard, let alone build like this guy did. He used PV all across the garage roof to fill the batteries, he used the electricity from all these PV's to create hydrogen from water, he stored it in this huge tanks, and he rigged the old Taurus to run off hydrogen, I imagine the house was using hydrogen as well, otherwise he wouldn't have needed the big storage of it they showed video of.
Quite expensive but very interesting. Hardly something the average joe can wire up.
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And if "reserve growth rules" what do you care about hydrogen? Isn't your moniker assuring us that reserves will always grow to meet demand? I just hope you're still around in a few years to take your lumps and admit your cornucopian views were wrong, but I doubt it.
Myself, I think hydrogen is a joke, and a distraction from real practical solutions. Solving a transport fuel issue isn't that big of a deal.
And no, reserves aren't necessarily always going to grow to fill demand, but they will grow enough to screw up Peak predictors and people who want to use Hubberts method for prediction nearly every time.
And my views are cornucopian, they are simply realistic. I consider most of the problem just a stupid joke caused by ignorant Americans, nothing more. Definitely not the "we're all gonna die event!" which most around here enjoy speculating about.
So....heading into our 3rd year post peak and I'm still getting caught in traffic jams!! DieOff already!
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