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Controlling The Discourse in Government Schools

Unread postby mattduke » Sat 14 Oct 2006, 15:43:05

You are not allowed to compare 9/11 to the Reichstag fire and keep your career.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/10/11 ... index.html
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Re: Controlling The Discourse in Government Schools

Unread postby Novus » Sat 14 Oct 2006, 18:24:40

The reason we have freedom of speach in not so people can voice popular opinions but so people with unpopular views can be heard. Without dissent there can be no democracy. If professors and intelectuals start getting fired for voicing anti-9/11, anti-Bush, and anti-War views then democracy is pretty much finished in this country.
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Re: Controlling The Discourse in Government Schools

Unread postby AgentR » Sat 14 Oct 2006, 18:53:49

Or anti-global warming, anti-union, pro-nationalism, anti-[], pro-Israeli.... Government schools are very harsh on anyone that steps outside that comfortably ambiguous middle strip of policy, or causes trouble or hostile attention.

For instance, I distinctly recall how people that strongly opposed disinvestment in South Africa were treated back in the 80's... Though myself, like a good little analyst said nothing for the most part, other than a vague, "go team" in support of the mob that had taken on that issue.

Schools are supposed to foster independent thought, but what they really tend to do is congeal thought around an "issue" and then exclude and ridicule any speach that might stand in opposition to that issue. The issue then is softened for mass consumption and becomes the consensus, non-threatening position. Once that occurs, any opposition speach that draws unwanted attention can be subject to instant accusations of insensitivity or whatnot.

Thus, people that just want their degrees or their paycheck are forced into silence or vague support, and the school itself putters on in its own merry way.

I suspect by 2008, strong anti-war comments, and strong US nationalistic comments will be considered grounds for censure. Vague, deranged anarchist type protests will be benignly smiled upon as completely outside the mainstream of political thought, and the school itself dissociated from the protestors.... Its all good.
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Re: Controlling The Discourse in Government Schools

Unread postby NEOPO » Sat 14 Oct 2006, 19:23:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Novus', 'T')he reason we have freedom of speach in not so people can voice popular opinions but so people with unpopular views can be heard. Without dissent there can be no democracy. If professors and intelectuals start getting fired for voicing anti-9/11, anti-Bush, and anti-War views then democracy is pretty much finished in this country.


So can it then be said that this is what freedom of speech got us ;-)
and if so then now what?

Try to "fake it" and act like a war of words is not "on"?

Hmmm we are talking post peak republic is dead wtf are we gonna do type shit yet people are still worried about free speech ;-)
Lucky they havent rounded our dissenting little asses up yet aye?
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Re: Controlling The Discourse in Government Schools

Unread postby Daculling » Sat 14 Oct 2006, 21:26:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '
')Schools are supposed to foster independent thought, but what they really tend to do is congeal thought around an "issue" and then exclude and ridicule any speach that might stand in opposition to that issue. The issue then is softened for mass consumption and becomes the consensus, non-threatening position. Once that occurs, any opposition speach that draws unwanted attention can be subject to instant accusations of insensitivity or whatnot.


Give that man a cigar.

I suspect that many intelligent people turn away from higher education due to this alone.
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Re: Controlling The Discourse in Government Schools

Unread postby AgentR » Sat 14 Oct 2006, 22:56:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', 'I') suspect that many intelligent people turn away from higher education due to this alone.


Most people with intelligence prefer to get their degrees and leave, or deposit their paychecks on a regular basis. Idgits speak up or object. Smart people take their paychecks and then send money to organizations of idgits who will speak up and get their heads lopped off.

I am after all, a cynic.

It is enlightening concerning the human condition to watch an opposition party screem about their ideas being supressed, and then as soon as the opportunity presents itself, they go to extreme lengths to silence the side they just moments before accused of supression.
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Re: Controlling The Discourse in Government Schools

Unread postby gego » Sat 14 Oct 2006, 23:16:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', '
')I suspect that many intelligent people turn away from higher education due to this alone.


I think of it as higher indoctrination. Of course, but the time kids persue higher indoctrination, they have already been well brain washed so more does nothing more than qualify them to become a bearer of the standards.
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Re: Controlling The Discourse in Government Schools

Unread postby evilmonkeyspanker » Sun 15 Oct 2006, 00:33:55

That is just a gross generalization. Though, it does seem for the most part though that the desenters are the more poorly educated. Though there exist in my opinion an eqiliberium between the two.
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