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Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"

Postby Mesuge » Mon 09 Oct 2006, 17:35:09

Once upon a time there used to be MODERATORS around DELETING the SPAM..
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Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"

Postby AgentR » Mon 09 Oct 2006, 17:43:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zentric', 'N')o, you don't understand. I merely pointed out that what you had expressed was gibberish - and on that basis wasted everyone's (and I mean everyone's) time.


1) You don't get to speak for everyone.
2) NEOPO's posts read like gibberish to me.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')ould you then mind terribly if you reduced your garbage posts to, say, less than five per day? Thanks.


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Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"

Postby Zentric » Mon 09 Oct 2006, 18:04:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zentric', 'N')o, you don't understand. I merely pointed out that what you had expressed was gibberish - and on that basis wasted everyone's (and I mean everyone's) time.


1) You don't get to speak for everyone.
2) NEOPO's posts read like gibberish to me.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')ould you then mind terribly if you reduced your garbage posts to, say, less than five per day? Thanks.


I do not take posting instructions from people who's agenda I oppose.


I wasn't aware I had an agenda other than to get you to post more responsibly. Besides, there are certainly many others on this forum with various agendas who would also like to see you post more responsibly.

Would you listen to them then?

This, of course, is in regards to how often you post, and to your shameless lack of credibility.
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Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"

Postby threadbear » Mon 09 Oct 2006, 18:31:30

AgentR--You are trying to dominate discussion by sheer volume of posts. It's not appreciated.
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Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"

Postby NEOPO » Mon 09 Oct 2006, 18:42:51

I use to feel so alone ;-)

I just realized AGAIN that this was a book media review thread.

Thank you Carl.
I am glad this video was brought to our attention and I am sorry it has become an argument for or against RWWFF which seems to be happening alot lately.
I do not know when the war will end yet I do think "we" will win ;-)

I have few if any doubts that 9/11 was MIHOP and I think the peakers with any sense understand this also.
I understand that for Heinberg to come out and say MIHOP and all that assumes is a very hard thing to do.
I appreciate their honesty and bravery for associating with this issue that few wish to touch ...much like PO and global warming.

Again thank you Carl.
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Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"

Postby AgentR » Mon 09 Oct 2006, 18:52:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zentric', 'T')his, of course, is in regards to how often you post, and to your shameless lack of credibility.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'A')gentR--You are trying to dominate discussion by sheer volume of posts. It's not appreciated.


Lets see, on this particular page of this particular thread...

For renewed investigation:
Threadbear - 3
Zentric - 4
Neopo - 2
Mesuge - 1
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Total 10 posts


Opposed to renewed investigation:
AgentR - 5
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Total 5 posts

Completely Disagree.

It looks like the pro-investigation posts outnumber the anti-investigation posts by nearly two to one.

In fact, it wasn't but a couple hours ago that someone jumped on me for NOT posting on this thread.

Edit: fix - neopo posted right before I got submit on this one.
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Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"

Postby Mesuge » Mon 09 Oct 2006, 19:17:36

This is like from Marx Bros. movie, firstly you spam it here all over with nonsense and now you plug a little convenient statistics haha :twisted: :roll:

The 9/11 Comm. investigation is evidentely compromised by all the info that has leaked out till today. New reinvestigation attempt is necessary, I offered the court setting which seems to be a more balanced option then some bipartisian congressional sequel to that inept coverup..
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Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"

Postby AgentR » Mon 09 Oct 2006, 19:33:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mesuge', 'T')he 9/11 Comm. investigation is evidentely compromised by all the info that has leaked out till today. New reinvestigation attempt is necessary, I offered the court setting which seems to be a better option then some bipartisian congressional sequel to that commission..


It might be better at finding truth, but I don't see how in the world you could get there, nor do I see any way you could get the "showbiz" atmosphere out while maintaining some degree of openess.

In a way, on the political side, its a chicken-n-egg deal. In order to bag Bush, you have to pass law that would empower such a court to act; and no president is going to sign a law that creates precident for allowing political opponents to put them in jail after they leave office.

Likely, your only hope of getting new evidence out, and into the public domain is if the Democrats claim the house. Then they can issue subpoenas and get something. There won't be any possibility of heads on a platter from such an exercise, but it'll be something. Even then, such a path is littered with landmines.. a run at impeachment would be disastrous for the majority party. This isn't like when the Reps went for Clinton; they had seats to safely sacrifice; at realistic best the Dems in '07 will have a 5 seat margin. They aren't going to sacrifice those seats to send articles of impeachment to a 50/50 Senate.

Some might say the Senate could go there if they had a 52/48 Dem majority, but I don't think they'd be willing to touch it with a ten foot pole, a Senate seat for the D's is just to valuable going into '08. One more neocon SC judge, and its all over for liberal policy for decades.
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Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"

Postby Zentric » Mon 09 Oct 2006, 19:37:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zentric', 'T')his, of course, is in regards to how often you post, and to your shameless lack of credibility.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'A')gentR--You are trying to dominate discussion by sheer volume of posts. It's not appreciated.


Lets see, on this particular page of this particular thread...

For renewed investigation:
Threadbear - 3
Zentric - 4
Neopo - 2
Mesuge - 1
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Total 10 posts


Opposed to renewed investigation:
AgentR - 5
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Total 5 posts

Completely Disagree.

It looks like the pro-investigation posts outnumber the anti-investigation posts by nearly two to one.

In fact, it wasn't but a couple hours ago that someone jumped on me for NOT posting on this thread.

Edit: fix - neopo posted right before I got submit on this one.


It's first and foremost the quality of your posts that are objectionable. But since the quality is bad, that would make the quantity objectionable too. You have a severe credibility problem, and you also tend to offer a lot of bullshit responses to other peoples' arguments. For example, I find myself right now answering to one of your "bullshit responses."

By the way: Who "jumped on you for NOT posting on this thread"? Is there some kind of quota system at work?
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Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"

Postby AgentR » Mon 09 Oct 2006, 19:38:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y the way: Who "jumped on you for NOT posting on this thread"? Is there some kind of quota system at work?


Someone complained that I had not answered their question. So I popped back and answered it.

I believe it was this one:
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')Zentric wrote:
Why is it so obvious to you that "spending the money all over again, would be even more obscene." ?
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Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"

Postby rogerhb » Mon 09 Oct 2006, 19:55:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t looks like the pro-investigation posts outnumber the anti-investigation posts by nearly two to one.


(a) don't confuse quantity with quality

(b) did you think you were living in a democracy or something?

(c) 99% of a population can still be wrong
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Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"

Postby AgentR » Mon 09 Oct 2006, 20:00:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t looks like the pro-investigation posts outnumber the anti-investigation posts by nearly two to one.
(a) don't confuse quantity with quality

I don't. I have never made a claim that my posts are of any particular level of quality.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '(')b) did you think you were living in a democracy or something?

Republic... last time I checked. Though some around here dispute even that. One wonders about the nature of gerrymandering, in the age of extensive computerized demographic information. Who picks who is not a silly question to ask.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '(')c) 99% of a population can still be wrong

True enough. But they usually get their way whether they are right or wrong.
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Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"

Postby rogerhb » Mon 09 Oct 2006, 20:03:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'B')ut they usually get their way whether they are right or wrong.


Until they bump up against the old reality problem....
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Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"

Postby Zentric » Mon 09 Oct 2006, 20:34:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '
')I have never made a claim that my posts are of any particular level of quality.


But I'll be damned if he doesn't on the other hand guarantee quantity.

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Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"

Postby NEOPO » Tue 10 Oct 2006, 03:40:07

never mind the video - i dont think this song had a video thus just listen to the words please ;-)

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Hope this is what you wanted - hope this is what you had in mind - CAUSE THIS IS WHAT YOUR GETTING!!!
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Re: Independent Doc: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors

Postby Zardoz » Wed 11 Oct 2006, 15:15:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hiderow', 'p')roblems.

Can you please explain to me how building 7 fell down ???



WTC7 was struck with enough debris from the collapsing towers that witnesses could see DAYLIGHT through the building, from about the 18th floor on down, so much of it had been gouged away. The fires in the building didn't just magically APPEAR, they were started by that structural damage ripping through the building, and fed by ruptured and pressurized diesel lines from the tanks in the basement.

Heat steel to 1000C or so and it looses what, 20-50% of its strength?

None of this is magic, and it doesn't require armed black helicopter gunships or the CIA...but the steel eating moon mice idea is cool.


People cite the lack of photos of the damage to that side of WTC7 as some sort of proof. They forget what the conditions in the area were like. After the first tower went down, everybody cleared out, knowing that the other would come down as well.

There just weren't photographers around to detail the damage to WTC7. They were many blocks away, running from the debris dust cloud, like everybody else. We'll never get photographic proof of the damage to WTC7.
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Re: Independent Doc: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors

Postby Carlhole » Wed 11 Oct 2006, 15:44:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'T')here just weren't photographers around to detail the damage to WTC7. They were many blocks away, running from the debris dust cloud, like everybody else. We'll never get photographic proof of the damage to WTC7.


According to a Popular Mechanics Magazine editor, its staff was shown photographs of damage to WTC7 by NYC police department. However, these photos are classified and unavailable to the public.
Why would they be classified? Or is Popular Mechanics lying about the photos?

According to the owner Silverstein, fire fighters had to be "pulled" from Building 7. He had a discussion with the Fire Chief and they decided to pull everyone out and then they all watched the building collapse. With all that attention focused on Building 7 by the owner and the City, did no one think to snap a photo as a record of the damage? Possible insurance considerations never arose in Silverstein's mind?

After all, building 7 was an enormously important building to the City of New York. The City, The Securities Exchange Commission, The IRS, The FBI, the CIA and the Secret Service - the all had offices there. Snapping a photo of the damage would have been a very simple, prudent and responsible thing for the Fire Department to do.

Mayor Rudy Giuliani was famously warned to vacate WTC7 in advance of its collapse and he is on record as saying so. Police and fire fighters are on film telling people to get out of the area because the building is going to collapse. With all that prior warning about its collapse, did no public, professional or private photographers ever take a picture of the building damage? HA!

Photos were being taken everywhere that day.

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Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"

Postby Hiderow » Thu 12 Oct 2006, 18:51:26

Just letting people know this video has it's own website now, it even has a link to this site in the links section.
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Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"

Postby mattduke » Thu 12 Oct 2006, 19:02:08

Remember The Maine
Lusitania
Pearl Harbor
Gulf of Tonkin
9/11
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Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"

Postby NEOPO » Thu 12 Oct 2006, 19:24:20

yes and...
Wounded Knee Massacre
The sand creek massacre
The great cherokee children's massacre at ywahoo falls
The bear river massacre
The indian island massacre and on and on we go....

Lets keep the ball rolling please - any crime committed inside N.A. is the only rule!! O,S&M will be the most popular media review ever!! my emoticons do not work and the only one I know is ;-)
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