[UIUCstudent01]

Here in the United States, some people think that the vote was manipulated because of statistical and method irregularities (the statistical irregularities occurred where the new electronic method were used)... Now, I'm not an expert in hacking and all that, but I've heard it described that the only way you can really 100% protect yourself from attacks from the internet is not to be on it. So... when there is a telephone and modem jack to these machines - it essentially means that the votes can be manipulated. And so, future voting crap can happen with a few bits of information on the network... (And not opposed to stuffing ballots which require much more logistical capabilities... printing, trucks, more corrupt guys...)

That's just my take. But, now here's some supposed new developments:!:

[web]http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/1954/15595.html[/web]

Of course, it just revealed a vulneribility more than anything... not any super concrete proof. The CEO standing down is interesting though...

[0mar]

"It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything."

[KhanCEO]

The headline says it all.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Salon ... _0815.html

"The report shows business as usual in Ohio where gubernatorial candidate and current Secretary of State Ken Blackwell has pushed regulations working to hinder voter registration efforts in the state. Similar efforts are afoot in Florida, as well as new authority for [fade]partisan pollwatchers to challenge the registration of individual voters."

[J-Rod]

Blackwell can steal 50% of the votes, and he'll still lose here. As big a pile of dung as there ever was.

Blackwell shows his colors

I had a chance to work on a contract basis on the voting machines this year, and I turned it down. I kinda wanted to, but at the same time I just don't trust myself with the knowledge of the innards of the machines, not to mention I am afraid that if I found out how flawed they really were firsthand, there might be some issues.

I have half a mind to vote early downtown so I can do some pollwatching myself.

[rogerhb]

It's for their own protection, it is well known that they don't use their votes wisely.

[NEOPO]

Rigged USA Elections Exposed

Votergate - Fraud in US Elections

Princeton scientists Hack Diebold

Stolen Election 2004

CATHY COX and election deception 2004

Those who count the votes control EVERYTHING!!!!
THIEVES.........
LIARS...........
THE DEATH OF THE REPUBLIC RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES......

Hmmm now why would someone want you and I to believe that the VOTE could not have possibly been stolen...

That 9/11 was a terrorist attack
That we need to do more studies on global warming
That the end result of peak oil is DIE OFF that you are HELPLESS, HOPELESS and may as well ignore it all and try to go back to sleep.

Who would come here and promote such things?

Now you go on feeling all warm and fuzzy inside thinking I have some sort of an agenda and that the political process has not failed us all.......because the truth is much much more painful then that.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '[')url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEzY2tnwExs&mode=related&search=]Rigged USA Elections Exposed[/url]

[NEOPO]

I posted that quick short video just for people like yourself.
I know how hard it is to keep your attention for any length of time so I thought I would just get the head in before GOING TO TOWN!

Eye on the Prize - you ain't side tracking my FUCKING thread with relevant yet insignificant babbling...........

THAT MAN IS NOT OUR PRESIDENT

THAT MAN IS NOT OUR VICE PRESIDENT

AMERICA HAS BEEN HIJACKED

Flag of the United States

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '
')Eye on the Prize - you ain't side tracking my FUCKING thread with relevant yet insignificant babbling...........

[NEOPO]

yeah it is and no i dont and I suspect just about everything like this has been kept quiet which is why you have now been informed by me and I got my data from some indy film producer or other.
Not fox, not nbc, not cbs.

Just like we got peak oil just like I got 9/11 and I am sure there is much more to come.

Bottom line - Al gore would probably be our president right now - we probably wouldnt be at war etc etc solar wind farms conservation et al.
Al is PO aware.
Oil might be $100 a barrel and gas at $4 a gallon yet that would be reality and we would have to deal with the petrol dollar collapse etc etc maybe even comply with kyoto........

That man is not our president - america has been hijacked!!!

[nwildmand]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'B')ottom line - Al gore would probably be our president right now - we probably wouldnt be at war etc

[PenultimateManStanding]

I first heard about this from a woman who was on Coast To Coast AM a couple years ago. But the only actual incriminating stuff I've heard of, as opposed to security issues which, though serious, are not the same as actual crimes and actual voter fraud, was in that testimony of the programmer. So sure, you have raised my awareness about it. But this points only to the Florida matter of that local Florida politician. The programmer didn't have any specific knowledge of the situation in Ohio. He said he had suspicions because of the exit poll discrepancy, which we have all heard about. But he did not have any specific knowledge of actual fraud in the computer codes in Ohio. I think tomorrow I will go back and listen to it again to get the names of those Florida players and see if I can find anything on it. And if anybody has any info about exit polling, it's statistical reliability and susceptibility to deliberate skewing by polling methods, I would like to hear about it.

[NEOPO]

what ......all jews are evil massad agents or something?
I dont have an anti jew agenda - Yet I am aware of just how evil the Israeli's/zionists are.
So what do you call a huge mega freudian thing like this?
How about a freudian "slip and fall - help I cant get up!"? slip
_____________________________________________
Our president is not our president - america has been hijacked!!

[nwildmand]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'w')hat ......all jews are evil massad agents or something?

[NEOPO]

PMS - did you really watch those videos or just the first one?
Watch them all and maybe a little googling and I doubt you will have any doubt.....

Wildman - you insinuated a "jew" vice president as if to say "oh no" so I ran with it.....ok whatever.
Heck we have a jew in office in virginia who is ashamed of being a jew or otherwise.
_________________________________

watch the video's.

That man is not our president!! America has been hijacked!!
S.O.S.

[Mesuge]

http://www.electricpolitics.com/media/m ... .08.25.mp3

Democratic Charades

Stolen Election
In a way, our main problem consists of not having the right words. Once one figures the Tyrant for a criminal, a traitor, and worse, no easy descriptions bridge the chasm between that and an afternoon at Brookings, or the Wilson center. "Policy mistakes" just ain't in it anymore. The appropriate frame of reference has radically changed. Joel Bleifuss, editor of In These Times, may not have the exact words we need either, but gets as close as humanly possible talking about stolen elections—the foundation of the Tyrant's power. For anybody who cares about the American experiment this must be the issue of the day: How to make things happen such that the public takes back control of its election machinery, to ensure that results accurately reflect the public will. Getting at the results themselves through normal politics is another thing entirely. It was very kind of Joel to take time from his vacation to talk with me. He's a gentleman and a scholar, and I'm always happy with our collaborations. This podcast runs about fifty seven and a half minutes. Enjoy.

The host bio:
I’m George Kenney. I was born in Algiers in 1956, during the battle of Algiers, to a US foreign service family, and grew up in the states, in Africa and in Europe. I spent way too much time in graduate school at the University of Chicago (MA in Economics) from which, following family tradition, I joined the foreign service myself. I was a tenured, mid-level career officer, serving as Yugoslav desk officer at the State Department headquarters in DC, when I resigned my commission in 1991 over US policy towards the Yugoslav conflict. Subsequently for a few years I was a consultant in residence at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Those were my salad days as a pundit. I had about 60 articles published in mainstream outlets, did hundreds of radio and tv interviews and talk shows, and traveled extensively through the US on speaking tours. In the mid-1990s, however, I came down with symptoms of a hereditary illness – iron overload – which sidelined me for years. With treatment I’m now operating more or less on two cylinders, more or less permanently. C’est la vie... and I'm glad to be alive!

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He's got very good shows on many other topic..
http://www.electricpolitics.com/

[Mesuge]

Two part series by RFK jr., nothing shockingly new but very good overview:
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Was the 2004 Election Stolen?
Republicans prevented more than 350,000 voters in Ohio from casting ballots or having their votes counted -- enough to have put John Kerry in the White House.

ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/ ... ion_stolen

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Will the Next Election Be Hacked?
By Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Rolling Stone

Thursday 05 October 2006 Issue
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/st ... dy_jr__wil

[Mesuge]

This first one has been shown on Sundance probably focuses mainly on the black community voter fraud:

Unprecedented Voter fraud - well that's something that occurs only in backward third world nations, right? The evidence presented by this documentary about the 2000 US presidential elections should make you question the nature of democracy.

Unprecedented - The 2000 Presidential Election 1of2 (WMV 48megs)
Unprecedented - The 2000 Presidential Election 2of2 (WMV 48megs)
(Unprecedented.org)

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The second one is BBC:

BBC on Florida Election Results The Florida 2000 presidential election issues are discussed by Greg Palast for the BBC Newsnight show.

Bush Stole The Election BBC Documentary (WMV 47megs)

Apart from the superb lockon of the Katherine Harris Florida scam another punch moment is when Palast goes to a post election Democratic posh party and someone tolds him they would rig the elections too, haha..

Links for these two and more are here (scroll down):
http://www.question911.com/linksall.htm

[AgentR]

The only thing that is unprecedented was the closeness of the vote in Florida. This kinda bs happens in all elections, all over the place. In different forms of course, appopriate to the preferences of the fraud perpetrators.

In 2000, though, Bush won, on any possible permutation:

1.) if there is no recount - Bush wins.
2.) if there is the Harris sanctioned vote total - Bush wins.
3.) if there is a full recount:
a) state fails to make deadline
a1) state house designates electors - Bush Wins.
a2) election goes to FED house, no majority, house votes - Bush wins.

You could make a much bigger stink about 2004, but 2000, there is no way to end up with a (D) victory. Which is likely the real reason the five R SC judges decided this was silly and would do no one any good.

[Novus]

Bottem line is do you think the Replicans will sweap congress? If the Republicans loose then this conspiracy is nothing but a lie.