[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', 'T')he real question is: why are *you* so self-righteous not to be willing to learn from people who have much more experience with everything that life and history has to offer and who are far more successful in the most mundane things (such as organising a healthy, happy and peaceful society)?

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y the way, the link with Peak Oil is not too far to be found: many of freaks like you Aaron, have a deep desire for violence, and the imaginary breakdown of society which you hope will occur with Peak Oil, represents a space where you can go ahead and play out your testosterone burdened freakish cowboy behavior. So get a new hobby, and sissify yourself please. You really need it.

[Aaron]

What?

No stunning repartee?

Oh yeah... never mind.

[Loki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', '
')
The real question is: why are *you* so self-righteous not to be willing to learn from people who have much more experience with everything that life and history has to offer and who are far more successful in the most mundane things (such as organising a healthy, happy and peaceful society)?

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') am convinced that there are two things in this world that will never peak. #1 is human stupidity. #2 is European arrogance.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'L')orenzo was a disingenuous guy, using peakoil.com to help him fleece people in a bio-energy scam.

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'L')orenzo was a disingenuous guy, using peakoil.com to help him fleece people in a bio-energy scam.

[gego]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', '
')
I absolutely believe that the anit gun crowd has emotional and logical problems. I think that their fear of guns has a lot to do with their fear of their own agressive feelings, coupled with feelings of inadequacy in dealing with agression from others. Rather than face the reality that some people have uncontrolled agression, they choose to focus on the tools that these people may select, thinking that this will make abberant behavior disappear and bring about safety. Really the antigun crowd are cowards, because they are trying to eliminate violence by hiding violence itself, rather than face it.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', '[')b]FIRST...you make firearm-safety classes mandatory...THEN you make carrying a side-arm manditory!

[Cloud9]

Lorenzo, we may seem new at the game, but we learned much from your mistakes. Europe has been trying to tell us how to tie our shoes for the last 400 years. It did not work then and it will not work now. Granted, we have had a rough time setting up our system, the revolution and the civil war being notable examples. We copied your enlightened system when we set up concentration camps for our fellow citizens in World War II. As bad as it was, we did not genocide them. With all of our shortcomings, we still gave Europe the ideals of the Declaration of Independence. You gave us Das Kaptal and Mein Kamph.

We have always been about what we ought to be. You have always been about what you were.

[swingbolder]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lso, I don't hear about inner city schools with metal detectors being places that get shot up.

[venky]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')erhaps we should compare stats on attempted murder... by any means. What you'll discover is there is little meaningful difference between US rates & other SIMILAR countries

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'l')orenzo blog

[Madpaddy]

Lorenzo wrote,
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he fact that we Europeans are healthier, less violent, better educated, more intelligent and more prosperous is reason enough to be self-righteous.

[Madpaddy]

Ok, we aren't better educated either.

http://ed.sjtu.edu.cn/rank/2005/ARWU2005_Top100.htm

2 European universites in the top 10 and guess what, they are both in England.

[RonMN]

Rogerhb...please take the fire-arm safety course offered by your city (it's a very eye opening experience...i took it at age 11).

Then, you will understand...owning a fire-arm is not only an "experience"...it is a MORAL OBLIGATION...and a RESPONSIBILITY.

I have to see what i might hit if i miss the target before i pull the trigger (every time). I have to report it to Every local police station if my rifle is stolen...it's not just a matter of go shoot things! And THAT is what fire-arm safety classes teach you (hell, they even teach you the best way to climb over a chain link fence with a loaded fire-arm).

[Chocky]

Japan and China have both had school massacres carried out with knives in the past 5 years. In both cases eight kids were killed by an adult that came onto the school grounds.

You might notice that this is more victims than every American school massacre with the exception of Columbine.

Clearly guns are not an essential component of a massacre.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', 'R')ogerhb...please take the fire-arm safety course offered by your city

[gego]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '
')
However, there is a moral obligation to know how to use both safely if (and only if) you intend to own and use them. The main difference between a car and a firearm is a gun's purpose is to kill.

[Omnitir]

Are gun enthusiasts at all concerned by the statistics that guns kept in the home for self protection are more often used to kill friends or family members then they are used to kill in self-defence?

Introducing more sensible gun laws in the US would reduce gun violence, just as it has everywhere else in the world where sensible laws are in place. So why is anyone at all opposed to reduced gun violence? Or is it that gun enthusiasts simply refuse to accept that reduced firearms means reduced gun violence?