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Education Level Poll
Re: Education Level Poll
by Tyler_JC » Sat 07 Oct 2006, 22:27:31
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Re: Education Level Poll
by NEOPO » Sat 07 Oct 2006, 22:46:32
I understand.
So does anyone see the link between those with the most education and their collective leaning toward doomerism?
I say it is false and something wrong that they have learned and are now unable to overcome it.
So does anyone see the link between those with the most education and their collective leaning toward doomerism?
I say it is false and something wrong that they have learned and are now unable to overcome it.
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Re: Education Level Poll
by AgentR » Sat 07 Oct 2006, 23:12:49
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'I') understand.
So does anyone see the link between those with the most education and their collective leaning toward doomerism?
I say it is false and something wrong that they have learned and are now unable to overcome it.
So does anyone see the link between those with the most education and their collective leaning toward doomerism?
I say it is false and something wrong that they have learned and are now unable to overcome it.
Could be, in the course of education they've seen enough examples of political realities dominating physical possibilities, that they understand that even if one could design a physically possible response to Peak Oil and/or Global Warming, it would be so far outside the realm of the physically possible that its laughable to give it more than a footnote's mention.
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Re: Education Level Poll
by WildRose » Sun 08 Oct 2006, 00:30:31
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kylon', 'I')t's well known that men on average prefer to read/learn about factual things, then read fictional novels.
The fact of the matter is, education is geared for girls, and this is completely intentional.
The fact of the matter is, education is geared for girls, and this is completely intentional.
A few things I've observed about the educational system (in Alberta - could be very different from where you are), through my years as a parent/school volunteer/education student:
Boys usually do prefer to read nonfiction, but many girls also do (I always prefered the factual stuff). I think people who prefer nonfiction are the ones who later go on to careers in journalism, reporting, etc. As far as the subjects we all study in school, traditionally boys have achieved higher marks and shown greater interest in maths and sciences, whereas girls are better with the language arts. Again, this is a generalization because many women go on to study commerce and medicine, and other areas that were dominated by men in the past. I really think that each person has aptitudes which determine the subjects they shine in.
I don't know what the exact percentages are currently for male/female high school dropout rates, but when I look around I see about the same number of young girls as boys working at low-paying jobs during the day when you know they would be at school, if they were still in school. I think the school system is inadequate for many girls as well as boys, and I'll tell you why.
The system is really geared for preparing kids for college degrees. Course content in the core subjects grows every year (ask any teacher if it gets any easier from year to year to cover everything they need to with their class). Course content becomes more difficult all the time (what students learned in grade 11 five years ago is now being taught in grade 9, etc.). Not all students are wired for high academic achievement, constant studying, homework for hours every day. The ones who can achieve this move along at the desired rate and a lot of the time, teachers teach for the percentage of the class that can do this. Those students who struggle with this are basically left to their own - find a tutor, get mom and dad's help on a daily basis, whatever. By the time these kids reach high school, they're often overwhelmed, their confidence has all but disappeared, they haven't had a chance to develop the areas where they have talent, which a lot of the time is in the hands-on skills such as carpentry, mechanics, cooking, art.
I can't help but think that if the kids who have aptitudes in the hands-on skills had more opportunity to study in these areas, including job placements to put what they've learned into practice, they would be much more likely to enjoy school and get their diplomas. Awarding kids for their achievements in these areas would also help. For many years, I've watched as the same students, always high academic achievers, received award after award while those who do truly excellent work in other areas are not recognized. After a while, they start to believe they are just not capable.
I also think that the way instruction is delivered to students has traditionally favored girls. Young girls typically can sit for longer periods of time than boys. Girls are also quieter than boys and not as easily distracted. If the structure of a class doesn't allow for these features in boys, what happens is they make more trips to the office, don't absorb material as well as the girls, and they end up being diagnosed by educators as having attention-deficit disorders. Of course, this is not to say that some girls don't have the same problems in school, but they're more common in boys.
Praise also goes a long way in developing students, as does recognition of each student's good ideas and talents. These steps could go a long way in helping students in their social development and achievement. Whenever I meet young kids who have left high school, I wonder in which ways the system has failed them.
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Re: Education Level Poll
by Aaron » Sun 08 Oct 2006, 07:56:07
Ok, here's a little nugget to stir up this thread.
No degree of any sort here.
Not even a high school diploma...
NADA
Despite this limitation, I have attended thousands of hours in technology & other post-grad courses... as the teacher.
My very first technology course was TCP/IP custom sub-netting & super-netting... basically a nightmare of hex to binary to decimal conversions.
I was the instructor.
I've trained thousands of highly technical folks over the years, extending on what they didn't really learn as college students.
Most of this coursework I did for companies like Novell, Microsoft, Sun etc...
I'm an accomplished musician, and have worked professionally for many years teaching & performing. (Sax, flute, guitar, clarinet, vocals, percussion etc...)
An avid reader since childhood, I consume a variety of literature on the order of about 3 novels per month.
There's a word for folks like me... but you college boys probably didn't cover it in your estrogen studies curriculum.
Know Thyself.
No degree of any sort here.
Not even a high school diploma...
NADA
Despite this limitation, I have attended thousands of hours in technology & other post-grad courses... as the teacher.
My very first technology course was TCP/IP custom sub-netting & super-netting... basically a nightmare of hex to binary to decimal conversions.
I was the instructor.
I've trained thousands of highly technical folks over the years, extending on what they didn't really learn as college students.
Most of this coursework I did for companies like Novell, Microsoft, Sun etc...
I'm an accomplished musician, and have worked professionally for many years teaching & performing. (Sax, flute, guitar, clarinet, vocals, percussion etc...)
An avid reader since childhood, I consume a variety of literature on the order of about 3 novels per month.
There's a word for folks like me... but you college boys probably didn't cover it in your estrogen studies curriculum.
Know Thyself.
The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.
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Re: Education Level Poll
by Aaron » Sun 08 Oct 2006, 10:23:09
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he deeper they got into the bankruptcy process, however, the more isolated Tammy became. With her spending cut off, she went through what Dan saw as withdrawal. She worried that the children would be forced to give up their activities and that they would see themselves as different from their friends.
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The problem is, of course, that not only is economics bankrupt, but it has always been nothing more than politics in disguise... economics is a form of brain damage.
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Re: Education Level Poll
by firestarter » Sun 08 Oct 2006, 10:50:55
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'O')k, here's a little nugget to stir up this thread.
No degree of any sort here.
Not even a high school diploma...
NADA
Despite this limitation, I have attended thousands of hours in technology & other post-grad courses... as the teacher.
My very first technology course was TCP/IP custom sub-netting & super-netting... basically a nightmare of hex to binary to decimal conversions.
I was the instructor.
I've trained thousands of highly technical folks over the years, extending on what they didn't really learn as college students.
Most of this coursework I did for companies like Novell, Microsoft, Sun etc...
I'm an accomplished musician, and have worked professionally for many years teaching & performing. (Sax, flute, guitar, clarinet, vocals, percussion etc...)
An avid reader since childhood, I consume a variety of literature on the order of about 3 novels per month.
There's a word for folks like me... but you college boys probably didn't cover it in your estrogen studies curriculum.
Know Thyself.
No degree of any sort here.
Not even a high school diploma...
NADA
Despite this limitation, I have attended thousands of hours in technology & other post-grad courses... as the teacher.
My very first technology course was TCP/IP custom sub-netting & super-netting... basically a nightmare of hex to binary to decimal conversions.
I was the instructor.
I've trained thousands of highly technical folks over the years, extending on what they didn't really learn as college students.
Most of this coursework I did for companies like Novell, Microsoft, Sun etc...
I'm an accomplished musician, and have worked professionally for many years teaching & performing. (Sax, flute, guitar, clarinet, vocals, percussion etc...)
An avid reader since childhood, I consume a variety of literature on the order of about 3 novels per month.
There's a word for folks like me... but you college boys probably didn't cover it in your estrogen studies curriculum.
Know Thyself.
Then you'd probably enjoy this little net nugget from Aaron Falbel, HERE
I read his brief piece about seven years ago in between classes (I taught high school AP History and Government...and Wood shop--I came from four generations of German carpenters) and within a year of the reading I left the profession, and sizeable income, for good.
Honestly, much of what I've gleaned, with lasting value, came OUTSIDE the classroom. With all the knowledge out there to be had no one person comes remotely close to being a complete repositiory of all there is to know. Credentialed folk, beyond their narrow specialties, don't impress me in the least. The ones that do impress me, however, are the ones who acknowledge just how pedestrian there knowledge base is. Phd's can be some of the most arrogant, lightweights you'd ever want to rub elbows with. I'm much more impressed with the totality of knowledge (that which is contained in large librarys for instance) but not with it's residence in a temporal singularity.
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