[lorenzo]

Many people are really asking whether the American nation has gone completely insane, and what can be done to cure it.

Just imagine this: America is one of the most violent societies because its citizens get free access to guns (kids too).

Now after yet another school drama resulting in the death of yet more children - what do the Americans do? Indeed, they become even nuttier. Instead of finally starting the debate about tighter gun laws, as mature people do, they start talking about handing out guns to teachers so they can defend their pupils.

To many, this twisted, sick, pathological, psychopathic way of dealing with banal problems is a clear sign that the American nation has completely lost it.

Guns in Classrooms?
http://www.kwwl.com/Global/story.asp?S= ... v=menu82_2

How can we help this deluded nation, that causes so much suffering to rational people? How can we re-educate it and bring it back to sanity? Must the American nation be protected against itself? Must some form of international care-taker government take over? Should the UN build vast gulags where Americans get to learn the basics about healthy diets, healthy minds, healthy behavior and healthy human relations?

[NEOPO]

its already happening lorenzo - thats why they made up the peak oil lie

[beechdriver]

When Wyatt Erp(?) was hired as sherrif of Dodge City(?) it was because they had had ONE murder in the prior year - yet everyone in town was carrying a gun. It really is not the gun - it is the moral fiber of the society. Go ahead and take the guns - but then be prepared to ban knives, baseball bats, etc, etc

[NEOPO]

my personal favorite is the tea cup heart remover trick

[Aaron]

Do you ever post anything but bio-stuff or American bashing?

America's homicide rate is not significantly higher than other similar countries. I assue you I don't need a firearm, or any weapon for that matter, to kill you.

If it was up to me, I'd require every citizen to carry a firearm at all times.

An armed society is a polite society.

It's when there's an imbalance of power you get abuse.

Your nanny-state mindset is typical of a conquered people. You don't think individuals can be responsible for themselves, & require a parent-government to make decisions for them.

Enjoy your gynocracy... you've earned it.

[Daculling]

Ya, that's really stupid. I'm just waiting for someone to try to take over a classroom with a student packing. Boom! Is he a hero or a criminal? What would the reaction to that be? At the current pace it won't be long until it happens.

[Daculling]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '
')If it was up to me, I'd require every citizen to carry a firearm at all times.

[NEOPO]

Makes a person wonder why people like Lorenzho is even tolerated

[RonMN]

I saw the heading of this thread & KNEW it must be Lorenzo

I only disagree with Aarons comment by a fraction...

FIRST...you make firearm-safety classes mandatory...THEN you make carrying a side-arm manditory!

If EVERYBODY has the same strength, it's much less likely that anybody will try to take advantage of you.

If I'm a nut-case willing to walk into an establishment & start shooting people...I'd think twice about it if i KNEW that EVERYBODY was armed!

1 shot kills...then 1 shot kills the killer...it has worked for thousands of years...it still works.

Lorenzo want laws to abolish guns so ONLY the criminals have guns (you know damn well the criminals WONT turn in their guns if they are made illegal).

So would we rather have a society where ONLY the criminals are armed???

Seems rather a basic question to me.

[RonMN]

Neopo...Lorenzo MUST be tollerated because of free speech...same reason I must be tollerated.

Alot of people disagree with me (and my ideals)...what is truely sad is that we've seemd to have lost the ability to listen to eachother.

I disagree with lorenzo on this issue but i can still learn from him IF I LISTEN TO HIM! I don't knock his beautiful vision of a peacfull & disarmed society...i just see it as a pipe dream leading to even further chaos (ie., only criminals are armed)...

But if there WAS a way to make his dream possible...i'd be willing to listen...it is beautiful (unfortunately only a dream as i see it).

[NEOPO]

Most of todays criminals are desperate addicts that will do anything for their drugs.
I am for gun ownership completely yet if you want to solve most of our the violent crime problems then legalize drugs.

You take the profit motive away from the criminal element - you greatly redue the costs of the drugs and then just maybe then alot of the street violence would end.

Guns in the classroom? why not - our kids are already being taught nationalism which according to me is much more dangerous the a gun any day.

[Clouseau2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', 'D')o you ever post anything but bio-stuff or American bashing?

America's homicide rate is not significantly higher than other similar countries. I assue you I don't need a firearm, or any weapon for that matter, to kill you.

[NEOPO]

yes we like to kill each other and yeah I dont know why Aaron would state something like that unless it was a ploy of sorts.

[Daculling]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'M')ost of todays criminals are desperate addicts that will do anything for their drugs.
I am for gun ownership completely yet if you want to solve most of our the violent crime problems then legalize drugs..

[RonMN]

Neopo...I agree with you completely about legalizing drugs... I would still teach my children (if i had any) to stay away from drugs...but it would illiminate the profit potential!!! Thus...no drug dealers! (and almost no shootings).

No different that al capones mob vanishing after prohibition was repealed.

[gego]

The hypocracy of Lorenzo's position is that he avails himself of the protection of armed authorities, yet he does not want to see children inside schools protected by armed authorities in the form of teachers also trained to effectively use guns.

I agree with Aaron.

[venky]

I think the basic premise of the pro-gun advocates are twofold. One, a society in which everyone bears arms and is trained to use them will be one that is safer on the whole. Also individual guns are the best way to protect the individual from arbitrary action by the Government.

I think both premises can be disputed. First the homicide rate in the US from Gun violence is TWO ORDERS of magnitude higher than other western socities. Not by a factor of two or three but ONE HUNDRED. I dont think any amount of statistics released and manipulated by the gun lobby can dispute a simple observation; if guns were not so widespread, gun violence in the US would be more comparable to other western countries.

Second, the power at the hands of a modern Nation state and government are enormous. Anyone who talks of making a last stand in his home to take on Police, Agents or special forces trying to disarm him is deluding himself; and is going to end up dead in a very short time. I feel that are rights and freedoms are far better protected by liberalism and other institutions like a seperation of powers, an independent judiciary, a free (or atleast independent) press, habeas corpus even the constitution. That is what Americans should be worried about instead of seeking comfort in these guns that will be useless if it comes to a confrontation with the government.

I think this culture of 'Gun nutism' can be understood by looking at US history and development over the centuries. I understand why it might seem pathological to someone like Lorenzo. I also agree with; changing this will require a massive 're-education' of the population who are fed this ideology from birth, and is probably impossible.

I do understand the argument though now that the genie is out of the box so the speak. with guns so widespread. Disarming the law-abiding population may be achieved relatively easily; while to disarm the criminals will be a far more difficult challenge. In the short term putting the general populace at a disadvantage.

[gego]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Daculling', '
')
That's fine but do you really think all the teachers in a school should be armed? Or church? Most places you can carry a weapon as long as it's not concealed right now from what I understand, you are just going to get a lot of scared looks. On the street open carry is fine with me but if you have a problem at a school hire some armed guards.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', 'M')any people are really asking whether the American nation has gone completely insane, and what can be done to cure it.

Just imagine this: America is one of the most violent societies because its citizens get free access to guns (kids too).

Now after yet another school drama resulting in the death of yet more children - what do the Americans do? Indeed, they become even nuttier. Instead of finally starting the debate about tighter gun laws, as mature people do, they start talking about handing out guns to teachers so they can defend their pupils.

To many, this twisted, sick, pathological, psychopathic way of dealing with banal problems is a clear sign that the American nation has completely lost it.

Guns in Classrooms?
http://www.kwwl.com/Global/story.asp?S= ... v=menu82_2

How can we help this deluded nation, that causes so much suffering to rational people? How can we re-educate it and bring it back to sanity? Must the American nation be protected against itself? Must some form of international care-taker government take over? Should the UN build vast gulags where Americans get to learn the basics about healthy diets, healthy minds, healthy behavior and healthy human relations?

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', 'N')ow after yet another school drama resulting in the death of yet more children - what do the Americans do? Indeed, they become even nuttier. Instead of finally starting the debate about tighter gun laws, as mature people do, they start talking about handing out guns to teachers so they can defend their pupils.

To many, this twisted, sick, pathological, psychopathic way of dealing with banal problems is a clear sign that the American nation has completely lost it.

Guns in Classrooms?
http://www.kwwl.com/Global/story.asp?S= ... v=menu82_2