$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'I')n other words, you won't pick one. Thats ok.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mesuge', 'T')he virus of truth is already out of the petri dishes and spreading
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Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"
Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"
by Carlhole » Sat 07 Oct 2006, 16:39:27
I certainly don't object; the wildness of the 9/11 claims is probably the only thing preventing the Republicans from being blown out of the water this year. As it is, America seems poised to elected a paralyzed congress that will barely be able to pass a bloated appropriations bill that gives everyone something.
So again, I ask, who gets to pick the members of the New and Improved Commission of the one Final and Holy Truth.
It's certainly not up to us to decide. It's certainly not an imminent decision to have to make. It's an administrative technical issue that would be addressed by whomever has the power to constitute a new commission for good or ill.
The 911 Truth Movement's focus has been on raising awareness of the unanswered questions themselves so that political will is developed for a renewed investigation that includes hypotheses for government complicity in the form of possible air force stand-down orders or controlled demolition scenarios, etc.
If your assertion that it is impossible to conduct a reasonable investigation is true, one would have to argue that, in the general case, some objective scientific inquiries or certain criminal investigations are not possible to conduct even though tangible and concrete evidence provides the means to do so. That sort of thinking mainly shows an immature, obstructive style of debate more than any reasoned analysis.
If the will exists to investigate 911 (or any other crime or any other scientific objective), then it's possible to do so. Developing the political will for such an investigation is the the chief purpose of documentaries such as "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"and so that's where we are.
It's like anything else: we here at peakoil.com would like to raise awareness of highly probable impending energy problems. We would like to generate the political will to encourage radical conservation and the development of alternative, renewable, clean energies. Are you arguing that this is also an avenue of rational inquiry and analysis that is impossible for human beings to accomodate?
The halls of academia would love to hear your full philosophical dissertation on the General Case of the Inability of Human Beings to Investigate Their World Through Tangible and Concrete Means.
Good luck and we'll see you in ten years or so.
If you're saying that it is unlikely that the political will will ever be developed to re-investigate 911. then you are saying the same thing that Michael Ruppert said two years ago after he wrote his "Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil". So now you can simply say, "I agree with Mike".
Meanwhile, books, films, videos, etc. continue to churn out. And public opinion will continue to form and change as regards 911, particularly in response to the disastrous Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the rapidly deteriorating Bush regime.
- Carlhole
Re: Documentary: "Oil, Smoke and Mirrors"
by AgentR » Sat 07 Oct 2006, 17:13:54
Ah, now we're getting somewhere.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'I')t's an administrative technical issue that would be addressed by whomever has the power to constitute a new commission for good or ill.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'I')t's an administrative technical issue that would be addressed by whomever has the power to constitute a new commission for good or ill.
Ok, the powers that be, will design the commission that will investigate the powers that be. Thats sounds a little bit like what we already did. But see below before jumping on this comment.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he 911 Truth Movement's focus has been on raising awareness of the unanswered questions themselves so that political will is developed for a renewed investigation that includes hypotheses for government complicity in the form of possible air force stand-down orders or controlled demolition scenarios, etc.
Would it include hypothesis involving how Clinton designed the attack plans in order to insure that Hillary would have a solid platform to run for president in '08, when she'd "ripened" as a national politician?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f your assertion that it is impossible to conduct a reasonable investigation is true,
It is not impossible to conduct an investigation. This particular investigation, at this particular time, and for the obvious intended purpose, is exceedingly difficult.
Scientific inquiries rarely include cameras and exciting drama; they mostly revolve around a lot of observation, experimentation, poking this, building that, writing copious notes, all in a very hush-hush way, and then sending a paper to a peer reviewed journal for hopeful publication.
What yall want is a circus.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f the will exists to investigate 911 (or any other crime or any other scientific objective), then it's possible to do so.
I don't disagree. I think your documentaries are digging a whole for the movement to jump into. The fact that they attack, quite directly, a current campaign relavent issue changes the way the issue is perceived by those tens of millions who are strongly aligned with the accused figure. Moore's film was your best bet, and you came up very short; now yall are on a downward slide that hasn't been seen since the Waco CTs got really riled up.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Are you arguing that this is also an avenue of rational inquiry and analysis that is impossible for human beings to accomodate?
I'm arguing precisely the opposite, that a rational inquiry and analysis would possibly yield fact, a political circus and show trial would yield a head on a platter, but wouldn't tell us anything about what actually happened.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he halls of academia would love to hear your full philosophical dissertation on the General Case of the Inability of Human Beings to Investigate Their World Through Tangible and Concrete Means.
