[Mesuge]

THE WORLD CAN'T WAIT - DRIVE OUT THE BUSH REGIME! rally across the US took place in 200 cities across the US.
http://www.worldcantwait.net/

Among one of the major inspirations and organizers were people like Ellsberg, Gore Vidal etc. Ellsberg the famous Pentagon papers whistleblower of the antiwar Vietnam movement had a very good presentation about flushing the constitution down the toilet.
http://worldcantwait.net/index.php?opti ... Itemid=223

The funny thing is that in places like San Francisco it attracted 1.5-2k people only which is obviously ridiculous and complete debacle. Especially, giving the big msm press, radio, internet ad campaign about the venue.

So, it's quite evident that Ruppert had it right again, the US is a lost cause not worth to fight for anymore. How many people are you going to expect in case they attack Iran or install a draft again? 2,500-3,000 plus, haha

Doomerism was and is the answer!

[Heineken]

Why should Americans go out and rally when they can watch "Good Morning America" and eat Egg McMuffins? Nothing's going to change until we hit crisis mode and it's too late.
People only react. They don't act. Also, 99% of Americans are almost completely unaware of the subjects we discuss on PO.com.

[Dreamtwister]

How are people supposed to know about the event when there's a media blackout? Grassroots movements take money, and nobody has any.

[Heineken]

Just curious, Dreamtwister: What are the asterisks around "YOU" in your signature supposed to mean? Are they just there for embellishment or emphasis?

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'J')ust curious, Dreamtwister: What are the asterisks around "YOU" in your signature supposed to mean? Are they just there for embellishment or emphasis?

[Heineken]

But isn't that what capital letters are for? Or italics? Or underlines?

[Mesuge]

Huh, my take is that one or two million people comming out nationaly on such a day would be a decent protest which would solve little or nothing. At least a decent try. But thousands or dozens of people in smaller cities was a cruel joke. And as I mentioned they ran NYT, radio, net ads etc. all over. Perhaps a federal gag order on brangelina photos would cause more attention and populist revolt.

Sometimes, I think I would rather apply for membership at the nearest NEOCON cabal office, these guys are perverted sick lunatics for sure but at least are able to move "things" ahead or more specifically, downward. What's their membership fee anyway?

PS: Just watch the first minutes of Pelosi speech at GeorgeTown that's a hilarious comedy. As fat cats and their stupid kids from DC are "fasting for Darfour and saving the world.." Unbelievable, this is just one of the those many micro studies of this sick civilization we can see everyday: rtsp://video.c-span.org/15days/e100506_pelosi.rm
I'm wondering what will kids learn in schools after 200 years, if there will be any, certainly not about the Repucratic bit#h Pelosi but about true patriots like the brave McKinney..

[KhanCEO]

There is a "special" list for people that protest against this government. I would protest but honestly, when joining those people you put yourself at great risk. KBR isn't building those detention camps for nothing. Also on a side note, I never spend my money at corporations anymore (well, at least try as much as possible).

I wonder if I'm already on the "special" list........

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KhanCEO', 'I') wonder if I'm already on the "special" list.

[Fergus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'H')ow are people supposed to know about the event when there's a media blackout? Grassroots movements take money, and nobody has any.

[Mesuge]

Yes, Cindy Sheehan out of the country! Afterall, she become a rather dull 9/11 truth denier and the antiwar movement is heavily infiltrated anyway and without draft not interesting for the public at all. Even her former buddies like CIA Ray McGovern already moved into the 9/11 truth camp where they are more productive: link

[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fergus', 'A')nyone that protests what America is doing while in America deserves to be put in an internment camp. Espeically if they are Americans or Illegally here. If you dont like what we do, get the hell out of our country. Take cindy sheehan with you.

[jdumars]

I saw the protest parade here in Portland. It was a hodge-podge of rainbow banners, anti-Bush, anti-war, anti-global warming. Bullhorns extorted the crowd to "join in" -but mostly people just wanted them out of the way so they could get through the intersection. The police rode their bikes along the sidewalk making sure the parade kept civil. My guess is maybe 1,000 people took part. I just felt saddened by it. It was like watching a dead sparrow float helplessly down a rain-flooded street to be ignominiously swept down a sewer grate.

I believe the current economy of scale has rendered protesting and peaceful political action inert. We've passed some population/information/saturation threshold of overshoot that has paralyzed our ability to effect changes on a macroscopic level. The leverage points that exist in our system are so radicalized that touching them will get you put in jail, or worse. What a sad and pitiful last act for the country my family fought and died for.

[Fergus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fergus', 'A')nyone that protests what America is doing while in America deserves to be put in an internment camp. Espeically if they are Americans or Illegally here. If you dont like what we do, get the hell out of our country. Take cindy sheehan with you.

[Denny]

I am not a citizen of the U.S., but I heard some of the ads on Buffalo radio. Frankly, the ads sounded amateurish and overtly negative. To me, they came across as being just a pack of out and out old fashioned agitators. Very left wing too, much mention of abortion rights, support for gays and the like.

These days you have to be able to offer a postive alternative, not just more anger and bitchin.

And, if I lived across the border, I'd be doing all I could to dtich the Bush regime too, but try to be more positive. Come cross more family friendly. I know Buffalo people and they aren't the left wing kind.

[IanC]

Fergus, I think that it's that sort of melodramatic thinking that keeps us from rational discourse in this country. Take a deep breath, stop fantasizing about putting bullets in the heads of people who think differently than you, and try to work with your community for a better America.

[jeezlouise]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fergus', 'I') am sorry if world is just peachy and you can afford to give my liberties to minorities, illegal aliens and criminals, but in my world, these liberties were bought and paid for by my family. I do not take kindly to having them stripped and given away to non diserving pple at my expense.

[Fergus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jeezlouise', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fergus', 'I') am sorry if world is just peachy and you can afford to give my liberties to minorities, illegal aliens and criminals, but in my world, these liberties were bought and paid for by my family. I do not take kindly to having them stripped and given away to non diserving pple at my expense.

[Fergus]

The only thing that I will apoligize for is my passion for my political stances. But not what I think. I will apoligize for geting riled up enough to even post in this thread. but my thoughts stand on their own merits. I will never apoligize for thinking like I do. But I am very sorry I even opened this thread. his isnt the first time its dropped me in the spotlight of unfriendly 'friends', if I can use that term.

[jeezlouise]

I don't recall calling you anything, Fergus, or flaming you at all. I just wanted to have a rational discourse on the tenets of civil liberty, not a emotional rant contest. And why do you bring up Cindy Sheehan in every single one of your posts lately? Is she your personal voodoo doll for all of your fear and rage? She protests the war in a very public way and all of a sudden she's an America-hater. I am so sick of that cop-out. Show me how she's aligned with Al Qaeda. Lay it out. No true patriot would ever suggest that a fellow citizen needs a bullet in the head for exercising their constitutionally guaranteed (and therefore God-given) right to free speech. For shame. Take her to task on what she says, not the disagreement itself. Why do we all of a sudden have to blindly support everything our government does in a time of war? Trust is earned, and can be broken. No matter how we may wish it to not be so or how much we ignore it, the sitting government has broken the public trust. The people now in power hold no allegiance to this country or anything it used to stand for.