[NEOPO]

Darwin stated: "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change."

A month ago before I investigated the subject of election fraud I wanted to believe that a terror attack was immenent in the US because the polls showed democrats ahead of republicans.

Now with new information I truly believe I was wrong.
I have no problem being wrong and it can be said that I correct myself more then I need corrected by others.

This is a trait of a person with an open mind.
The ability to take in new information, regardless of how it may go against the grain of our minds, the way we have been taught to think or not think as the case may be, this ability is adaption and part of survival.

How will these people adapt if they are unable to take in new info and use that to reevaluate their position?
How will these people manage with what is to come?
It is my opinion that they will not fair well post peak.

If members of this forum had to drag you kicking and screaming to the cool water that is peak oil - and then - once you have taken a drink you either dismiss it all in fear or attempt to rationalize it all away OR BETTER YET crumble into a doomer with no hope - how better will you handle the inevitable ramifications of PEAK OIL as they start to hit home?

The petrol dollar and its inevitable collapse ALONE will send us down a path similar to the great depression without all of the other very real ramifications hitting home.

I pity these people and moreso those who may depend upon them.
I find some comfort knowing that at least my own mind has not clamped tightly shut.

Maybe this is why I am able to see that 9/11 was a MIHOP event or at the very least LIHOP.
Maybe this is why I can easily see how GW and PO is supressed not only by the media/government but by the people as well.
Maybe this is why I can see no difference between some people here and the government I have grown to despise.

They are like links in the chain - pulleys and levers of its machination.
They represent our greed and our ignorance.
Our hubris and our inevitable demise.

They will continue to choose to be americans/nationalist first - I will continue to choose human first.

[da23]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'I') have no problem being wrong and it can be said that I correct myself more then I need corrected by others.

[Ayame]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'D')arwin stated: "It is not the strongest of the species that survives, nor the most intelligent that survives. It is the one that is the most adaptable to change."

[Ludi]

I predict the young and healthy will do better post-po, no matter if their minds are "adaptable" or not.

[lorenzo]

It's sad to see how many people use Darwinism and evolution in an incorrect manner as a bad and shallow metaphor.

I wish they had actually read something about evolution and darwin first.

Evolution has nothing to do with individual people, nor with single generations. It is a collectivist, mass, group event, spanning several generations, moving imperceptibly over vast time-scales.

The social darwinist discourse is a bit old and passe, isn't it? It's time we abandon it for good. It reeks of the 19th century. This is the 21st. Let's move on.

[PenultimateManStanding]

I also respect open-mindedness and the professor that Dawkins (a fine writer btw) cited is a good exemplar of that. It isn't all that common in scientific circles, though, if my readings in the history of science are an indicator. They tend to be just as much "that's my story and I'm sticking to it" as the rest of us. You should have heard the guys from Popular Mechanics who were on the radio today talking about their book dubunking 911 conspiracy theories. Rather convincing. Examples: the University seismic survey from up the Hudson that is reputed to confirm seismic evidence of planted charges. The authors interviewed those geologists who are outraged that their repudiation of this has gone ignored by by the "Truth Movement". They say that their seismic data shows nothing of the sort. If you could hear a convincing repudiation of the 911 conspiracy story, would you be open-minded enough to say, "yep, those guys cherry-picked their evidence and then misinterpreted it"? Another for instance, the 1800 degree temps were quite adequate to bring down the towers in conjunction with the other physical facts of the day, i.e. it wasn't neccessary to melt the steel, just to weaken it in tandem with the other structural damage that was done by the aircrafts themselves, in tandem with design flaws, etc. Where are we to draw the lines of open mindedness and closed-mindedness? Is that for you to decide? And the last thing, NEO, I sincerely believe that there are lots of lies all over the place. I'm sceptical of everything. I'm sceptical of Donald Rumsfeld and Bush and Cheney. I'm sceptical also of these Diebold voting machine theories. I'm sceptical when the generals say everything is going fine in Iraq, and I'm sceptical, highly, when Middle Easterners say that Mohammed Atta is alive and well. You get the drift.

[NEOPO]

k - in review I seemed to be ranting a bit heheh

ayame - ty and good article - brains are hungry indeed.

Ludi - doesnt mental health correlate with physical health?

PMS - What ? did I show weakness er something?!!?!?
uhm jet fuel is a hydro carbon and burns at 1100 no?

The steel used would require 2000 - 3000 degree heat and 40 minutes would not be long enough and that was shown by the other similar buildings that were hit by planes or caught on fire.

and the only other time a building like that ever collapsed it sheered off not crumbled and if the building did collapse it would not free fall - why would we doubt the integrity of the building built to withstand the worst storms, planes hitting it and MOST DEFINATELY fire..I mean thats basic man - it might cetch on fire....duh

It was built in 3 sections of 3 sections for a reason.
Try looking up the construction of the towers.

and the seismic data thingy wouldnt be the first time an offical story has been changed.
Nice try.
I would like to believe that my country didnt do this yet sadly I see way more evidence for then against and now...now that I have gotten to know some people here - it does not surprise me one bit to see who gets it and who does not.
Hell man you cant even understand that marijauna is medicine for some people because it is purely recreational for you.
Gee wally - how do you explain away the presence of a THC receptor site in the human brain????
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Lorenzo - I will use the concept as freely as I desire.
We have accepted the concept yet the possibilities are endless.
We could take an evolutionary step right this moment or it could take millions of years.
How long have you been here observing evolution...........

Considering we are infants in this field of study as well as many others you are showing your ignorance by attempting to dismiss it as some sort of arcane science or by assuming that the field will not advance and further benefit mankind.

Yes lorenzo - I know who you are and IMHO you lose credibility with almost every word.
Now bug off and go post some cornucopian bio fuel crap before you have my full attention.........

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '
')The steel used would require 2000 - 3000 degree heat and 40 minutes would not be long enough and that was shown by the other similar buildings that were hit by planes or caught on fire.

[Pablo2079]

Not that I subscribe to the theory that 9/11 was an "inside job", but the towers actually were designed to survive an impact by a jet. However, at the time, I believe it was a 707 sized aircraft that was taken into consideration.

As for the collapse itself, it did seem a little TOO vertical. I've watched serveral shows on demolition and they have to plan plan plan to get a building to fall like those ones did. Makes you think....

[Nitro]

The only other collision I have heard of in volving a plane and a building in NYC was this one. Thought this may help clear up some confusion.
http://www.withthecommand.com/2002-Jan/ ... plane.html

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 't')
Gee wally - how do you explain away the presence of a THC receptor site in the human brain????