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Re: The rich really are getting richer

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Mon 25 Sep 2006, 23:42:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sciencegirl', 'C')ommunism is the perfect system, all that needs to be fixed is human rights.


You are joking, right?

right? 8O
she likes science, right? and Communism is on the cutting edge of advanced scientific rational materialistic thinking. The working class is going to take over from the beourgeoisie who will be expropriated. Then The State will wither and everyone will just do want they want to! From Each According To His Ability, To Each According To His Needs, dontcha know! :roll:
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Re: The rich really are getting richer

Unread postby threadbear » Mon 25 Sep 2006, 23:53:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sciencegirl', 'I') joined the Communist Party of Canada, and if enough people like me around the world start demanding communism over capitalism, that will really stop the rich from getting richer.


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Re: The rich really are getting richer

Unread postby Zardoz » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 00:33:31

Karl Marx's great blunder: He left human nature out of his equation, rendering the whole thing invalid and unworkable.
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Re: The rich really are getting richer

Unread postby venky » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 01:16:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sciencegirl', 'C')ommunism is the perfect system, all that needs to be fixed is human rights.


You are joking, right?

right? 8O
she likes science, right? and Communism is on the cutting edge of advanced scientific rational materialistic thinking. The working class is going to take over from the beourgeoisie who will be expropriated. Then The State will wither and everyone will just do want they want to! From Each According To His Ability, To Each According To His Needs, dontcha know! :roll:


Might work in the next stage of human evolution, the Star Trek Universe seems to be a communist paradise by all accounts. :razz:
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Re: The rich really are getting richer

Unread postby jupiters_release » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 01:17:23

The real list of richest people would be interesting, Gates and Buffet probably wouldn't drop too far down the ranking but how dwarfed their wealth is relatively?
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Re: The rich really are getting richer

Unread postby Doly » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 06:11:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', 'T')he real list of richest people would be interesting, Gates and Buffet probably wouldn't drop too far down the ranking but how dwarfed their wealth is relatively?


What "real list" are you talking about?
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Re: The rich really are getting richer

Unread postby Zardoz » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 09:37:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', 'W')hat "real list" are you talking about?

There's an Internet myth floating around about secret, mysterious multi-trillionaires that nobody knows about.
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Re: The rich really are getting richer

Unread postby J-Rod » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 11:09:57

I wouldn't be suprised if there are a few. I mean families like the Bilderbergers and the Rothschilds have been accumulating wealth for a very very long time. I would imagine all that wealth doesn't completely translate to paper all the time.
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Re: The rich really are getting richer

Unread postby jupiters_release » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 11:24:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', 'W')hat "real list" are you talking about?

There's an Internet myth floating around about secret, mysterious multi-trillionaires that nobody knows about.


There's also an Internet myth about imminent oil production decline that can unwind the entire world but only we and the multi-trillionaires know about. :lol:

Myth = history.

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Re: The rich really are getting richer

Unread postby jupiters_release » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 11:29:12

Like creative accounting isn't the norm, plenty of foundations to store wealth in to avoid taxation, besides if they paid tax they'd only be paying it back to themselves. :lol:

What idiot would think a multi-trillionaire would put himself on the front cover of Forbes?
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Re: The rich really are getting richer

Unread postby Dreamtwister » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 11:44:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sciencegirl', 'I') joined the Communist Party of Canada, and if enough people like me around the world start demanding communism over capitalism, that will really stop the rich from getting richer.


During the last election, there was a party debate in my riding. It was attended by the Conservatives, the NDP and the Communist party and the Green party (the Liberal incumbant did not think our votes were important enough to attend).

The communist nominee was a ~60 year old hippie who lives in a rooming house. He didn't even bother to wash his denim vest adorned with "Fair Play for Cuba" buttons and he stank of cat piss.

When I asked him "What are your party's plans for preventing further harmonization with US interests and how do you plan to stop the forced siezure of Canada's energy resources?" his answer to me was (I swear to god this is what he said) "We will protest."

Not that the other representatives were any better, but come on. You need to have at least the appearance of credibility.
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Re: The rich really are getting richer

Unread postby sciencegirl » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 19:13:36

I've only just joined, I have not met anyone from the party yet. If the communist party is in that bad of shape, then who better than myself to transform it into a credible party. A mental midgit that smells of cat piss, should not even be allowed to represent kitty litter.
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Re: The rich really are getting richer

Unread postby threadbear » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 19:14:41

Communism is a dead issue. Someone dressed in old denim and reeking of cat piss is actually a perfect spokesman for a system that rewards mediocrity and incompetance.

The economy and political system should look something like a lovely dance, some free form, some improvizational mixed with some structured ballet.

Communists show up for a dance, with big heavy workboots on, the laces tied together and stumble through the hokey pokey thinking that's what it's all about.

Capitalists participate in a complex ballet, wearing their football gear and cleats, then want to know who won the dance at the end of the evening. If noone's bleeding, they're upset.
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Re: The rich really are getting richer

Unread postby PenultimateManStanding » Tue 26 Sep 2006, 19:36:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'C')ommunism is a dead issue. Someone dressed in old denim and reeking of cat piss is actually a perfect spokesman for a system that rewards mediocrity and incompetance.

The economy and political system should look something like a lovely dance, some free form, some improvizational mixed with some structured ballet.

Communists show up for a dance, with big heavy workboots on, the laces tied together and stumble through the hokey pokey thinking that's what it's all about.

Capitalists participate in a complex ballet, wearing their football gear and cleats, then want to know who won the dance at the end of the evening. If noone's bleeding, they're upset.
dancin' with their workboots on, doin' the hokey pokey. That's tops. Makes me think of Tom Waits' song "Pasties And A G String" which starts out with "Do the Hokey Pokey":
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ell you put your left foot in
You take take your left foot out
Do the Hokey Pokey
Shake it all about
That's what it's all about

Smellin’ like a brewery, lookin’ like a tramp
I ain’t got a quarter, I got a postage stamp
Been five o’clock shadow boxin’ all around the town
Talkin’ with the old men, sleepin’ on the ground

Bazanti bootin’ al zootin’ al hoot and Al Cohn
Sharin’ this apartment with a telephone pole
And a fishnet stocking, spike heeled shoes
Striptease, pricktease, car keys blues

And the porno floor show, live nude girls
Dreamy and creamy and brunette curls
Chesty Morgan and Watermelon Rose
Raise my rent and take off all your clothes

With trench coats, magazines, a bottle full of rum
She’s so good, it make a dead man cum
Pasties and a G-string, beer and a shot
Portland through a shot glass and a Buffalo squeeze

Wrinkles and Cherry and Twinkie and Pinkie
And Fifi live from Gay Paree
Fanfares, rim shots, backstage, who cares
All this hot burlesque for me

Cleavage, cleavage, thighs and hips
From the nape of her neck to the lipstick lips
Chopped and channeled and lowered and lewd
And the cheater slicks and baby moons
She’s a-hot and ready, creamy and sugared
And the band is awful and so are the tunes

Crawlin’ on her belly, and shakin’ like jelly
And I’m gettin’ harder than Chinese algebra-ssieres
And cheers from the compendium here
Hey sweetheart, they’re yellin’ for more
You’re squashin’ out your cigarette butts on the floor

And I like Shelly, and you like Jane
And what was the girl with the snakeskin’s name?
And it’s an early bird matinee, come back any day
Get you a little something that you can’t get at home
And get you a little something that you can’t get at home

It’s pasties and a G-string, beer and a shot
Portland through a shot glass and a Buffalo squeeze
Popcorn, front row, higher than a kite
And I’ll be back tomorrow night
And I’ll be back tomorrow night

gettin harder than Chinese algebra-ssieres :lol:
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Re: The rich really are getting richer

Unread postby venky » Wed 27 Sep 2006, 01:59:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sciencegirl', 'I')'ve only just joined, I have not met anyone from the party yet. If the communist party is in that bad of shape, then who better than myself to transform it into a credible party. A mental midgit that smells of cat piss, should not even be allowed to represent kitty litter.


Okay, this time you are joking, right?

Right? 8O
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Re: The rich really are getting richer

Unread postby sciencegirl » Thu 28 Sep 2006, 09:33:53

No not joking. Communism is a good idea if done right. It is to bad the party is infested with stinky hippie's. They would give any political party a bad name. They need a suit, a haircut and a bar of soap. That should do wonders. :)
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Re: The rich really are getting richer

Unread postby jupiters_release » Thu 28 Sep 2006, 11:25:19

Multi-trillionaires don't care who make the laws, as long as they maintain the sole right to create money.

Communismshmism, must be better ways to waste your time?
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Re: The rich really are getting richer

Unread postby Denny » Thu 28 Sep 2006, 17:10:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sciencegirl', 'N')o not joking. Communism is a good idea if done right.


All kinds of things are good ideas if done "right". Wasn't that the lament of G.K. Chestertopn, who wrote:
“Christianity has not been tried and found false,
but Christianity has been found difficult and not tried."

The ideal world of Marx relied on people. And, sad to say, people are far better at thinking selfishishly than selflessly and fearing and coveting, rather than trusting, their neighbours, co-workers, customers, etc.

There is even a link between Christianity and Communism. The earliest Christians, it was writteen, held everything in common. But, this did not last long before some felt it easier to let the others do all the work. The apostle Paul blasts those and resorts to a more capitalist remedy of sorts: "If they should not work, then neither shall they eat".

Even today, there are Christian communal groups, nuns and monks come to mind, who hold all property in common and pretty much live up to the Marxist ideal of giving according to their ability and receiving in accordance with their needs.

But, for the rest of us, our appetites and behaviors do not lend themselves to a practical Communist philosophy. That is why Communism in reality has resorted to compulsion so frequently to provide a workable economy.
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Re: The rich really are getting richer

Unread postby smiley » Thu 28 Sep 2006, 18:08:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut, for the rest of us, our appetites and behaviors do not lend themselves to a practical Communist philosophy.


That's the whole problem with communism, utopianism, Marxism etc: To live in it is boring as hell for the average human being.
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Re: The rich really are getting richer

Unread postby rwwff » Thu 28 Sep 2006, 19:41:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', 'E')ven today, there are Christian communal groups, nuns and monks come to mind, who hold all property in common and pretty much live up to the Marxist ideal of giving according to their ability and receiving in accordance with their needs.


Yeah, but they all uniformly work way more hours, for much less material gain, than any of us would ever tolerate.

Communism means 60 hours per week, for three bowls of rice a day.

Personally, I'd take part time at McDonalds first.
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