if only.... (a rant)

by **nero** » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 13:02:48

If only a member of Congress would stand up and say:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen America began rendering people over to foreign torturers, it strayed from the sunny uplands of moral clarity into a swamp of moral ambiguity. It led to secret prisons where Americans did unspeakable things to prisoners who had no legal protection from their tormentors. It led to Abu Ghraib where young soldiers lost sight of the line between right and wrong. We have lost our way.
Now, after twisting and turning to avoid legal oversight, this President wishes to pervert the American justice system by legalizing “mild” forms of torture and indefinite detention without trial. He wished to introduce the dangerous legal precedents of secret and even coerced evidence. You might say that only the terrorists must fear these damnable innovations, but I say it is only by the protection accorded to the least deserving can we judge the worth of the legal protections granted to us all. The price of liberty is eternal vigilance, not against some foreign aggressor but against those who would have us make a Faustian bargain for a false sense of security.
If we as a nation allow this perversion to take place, we will be held in contempt by history as the ones who threw away our freedoms for a fleeting mirage of security. I will fight with all my might against this imperial presidency. I will fight to my last breath for justice.

by **Miki** » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 14:12:12

It is not all lost. I believe there are decent Americans left, even in the government. Here's a bit of hope:

[web]http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article15057.htm[/web]

by **holmes** » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 15:41:19

Yes killing Americans Is ok. anyone else bad bad bad. Hey ill just bend over u ram a 2x4 up my ass and then decapitate me. Kill me please!

by **Miki** » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 16:38:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'Y')es killing Americans Is ok. anyone else bad bad bad. Hey ill just bend over u ram a 2x4 up my ass and then decapitate me. Kill me please!

by **smallpoxgirl** » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 17:17:02

It seems to me like every generation or two people have this realization and are like "Ohh my God. Instead of all that justice and equality stuff they told me in high school civics class, my country is marauding around torturing people." Before Abu Ghraib it was Mi Lai and the Phoenix program. Before that it was unspeakable horrors done in the US invasion of the Philipeans. Before that it was Wounded Knee, etc, etc.

Truth is that there is very little new in the world.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 17:35:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'Y')es killing Americans Is ok. anyone else bad bad bad. Hey ill just bend over u ram a 2x4 up my ass and then decapitate me. Kill me please!

by **rwwff** » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 17:44:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')ruth is that there is very little new in the world.

by **holmes** » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 17:51:20

Hey I like rough sex! I actually LOVE it! But Im not into having anything shoved up my ass. Im not an ass kinda guy. My ass or the ladies ass. The sacred palace of the women only! Oh its sacred too. ungabunga.

by **holmes** » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 17:54:23

hey its all about therapy Bro! Powerin down is all about therapy.
I love making these threads into humanist threads. Its all about communication. Real communication. Not this ideology crapola. Lets be real!

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 17:58:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'u')ngabunga.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 18:29:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'H')ey I like rough sex! I actually LOVE it!

by **holmes** » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 19:01:08

Oh now your talking ideology I love! Very interesting. Yes its nice to mix and mingle. Yes the granola peace self laothers are becoming impotent truly. U see them and the "ladies" are very unapealing. I mean I love natural and earthy. But they are dirty and sloppy. what man in their right mind be attracted to that. The hippie chick u see in REI are not real they are models. Those woman in REI catalogues dont exist. They are mostly city urban pampered woman. Not going to see them out on the trails unless they are in a photo op. The the first fast orgasm is embarassing! hahaha. Once its out of the way tho its showtime!
The Muslim babe is going to come and visit next summer I beleive. Its one of those down the line things.
So how u been?

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 19:12:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', '
')So how u been?

by **nero** » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 19:51:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I')t seems to me like every generation or two people have this realization and are like "Ohh my God. Instead of all that justice and equality stuff they told me in high school civics class, my country is marauding around torturing people." Before Abu Ghraib it was Mi Lai and the Phoenix program. Before that it was unspeakable horrors done in the US invasion of the Philipeans. Before that it was Wounded Knee, etc, etc.

Truth is that there is very little new in the world.

by **Miki** » Sat 23 Sep 2006, 13:16:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'S')eriously, don't you two get a little chuckle out of it too?

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sat 23 Sep 2006, 13:24:00

If he was incoherent, then you wouldn't know what he's saying. You seem to get his drift quite well. I think my characterization of the one and only holme's style was more fitting and accurate.

by **Miki** » Sat 23 Sep 2006, 13:51:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I')f he was incoherent, then you wouldn't know what he's saying. You seem to get his drift quite well. I think my characterization of the one and only holme's style was more fitting and accurate.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sat 23 Sep 2006, 14:09:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I')f he was incoherent, then you wouldn't know what he's saying. You seem to get his drift quite well. I think my characterization of the one and only holme's style was more fitting and accurate.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sat 23 Sep 2006, 14:17:13

The First Party Platform item: traditional dancing where partners hold each other instead of standing in one spot, apart, gyrating will be encouraged. The Charleston, The Waltz, The Tango, all of them will be brought back so that men and women can dance together instead of apart.

by **PenultimateManStanding** » Sat 23 Sep 2006, 15:11:11

What are the two words that seperate men from women, miki? I think that this is the sort of thing that holmes thinks about. I know it's the sort of thing that young people everywhere think about. Whole societies and living arangements are built around these two words. They are the words of people, not abstract populations and ideology. They are the words of individuals, not people who obsess about "social injustice". They are the words of people who wouldn't know left-wingers from right-wingers. They are the words of people who haven't got a clue what resource depletion means. They are the words "I'm pregnant".

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