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Anybody here see this about water as fuel?

Unread postby budeone » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 09:29:52

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Re: Anybody here see this about water as fuel?

Unread postby basil_hayden » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 09:31:29

Only about 20 times on this site so far.....
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Re: Anybody here see this about water as fuel?

Unread postby budeone » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 09:32:43

Is there any truth to it?
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Re: Anybody here see this about water as fuel?

Unread postby basil_hayden » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 09:42:44

Can you use water as fuel?

Sure, as soon as you separate the hydrogen from the oxygen, which takes energy.....just to put it back together and get energy..

I thought my previous post my spur you into action to use the Search feature on this website.

Guess not.

search for "Klein", or HHO
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Re: Anybody here see this about water as fuel?

Unread postby budeone » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 10:19:35

I have tried a bunch of combo words to find it and I am having no luck.

Do you have a thread number please?
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Re: Anybody here see this about water as fuel?

Unread postby dukey » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 10:40:49

if the technology was real
(which it is not)
some company would have cashed in and made oceans of money ..
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Re: Anybody here see this about water as fuel?

Unread postby budeone » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 10:43:55

Do you know if the man himself was a fraud? Was it just a fake video?

It looked like a real news cast to me.

BTW, thanks for responding
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Re: Anybody here see this about water as fuel?

Unread postby Windmills » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 11:12:17

Water isn't an energy source. Someone said it quite well that water is the leftovers from burning hydrogen. Water is the ashes of hydrogen combustion. Who uses ashes as fuel? Ashes are spent fuel.

The water fuel claims are pranks, rantings of ignorant people, or investor scams...and nothing else. In the current frenzied alternative fuel climate, they're probably mostly in the latter category. People are looking to scam investors who have money but failed their high school science classes.
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Re: Anybody here see this about water as fuel?

Unread postby budeone » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 11:19:31

Thank you Windmills
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Re: Anybody here see this about water as fuel?

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 11:22:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('budeone', 'I') have tried a bunch of combo words to find it and I am having no luck.

Do you have a thread number please?


Yeah, searching is tough.

Search results for "HHO":

HHO, What is this?

Klein/HHO Gas

Water power- surely, this is some kind of hoax!

Water as a fuel source

Fox News - water fuel video

Water as fuel - yet another claim

HHO Gas

Seriously, next time, do a search.
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Re: Anybody here see this about water as fuel?

Unread postby Micki » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 11:36:58

Here is a site about a group testing/developing water engine solutions.
Byron water engine

I have some difficulties in understanding the complaints people bring up that hydrogen is not an energy and therefore not a solution. OK, that is true, but hydrogen can be charged with electricity and we will have access to electricity long after we run out of oil.
So until someone thinks of something better, I think it still is an interesting alternative to petrol. Perhaps not yet economically viable and efficient enough, but we got to start somewhere.
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Re: Anybody here see this about water as fuel?

Unread postby Peakprepper » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 17:12:30

The entire documentary is here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ree+energy

... about an hour long.

"if the technology was real
(which it is not)
some company would have cashed in and made oceans of money ."


on the other hand, (quacks aside), look at the number of such people who have disappeared, been killed, or been threatened after large companies have looked at their inventions.
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Re: Anybody here see this about water as fuel?

Unread postby Dezakin » Fri 22 Sep 2006, 18:56:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peakprepper', 'T')he entire documentary is here: link ... about an hour long.
"if the technology was real (which it is not) some company would have cashed in and made oceans of money ."
on the other hand, (quacks aside), look at the number of such people who have disappeared, been killed, or been threatened after large companies have looked at their inventions.

Like who?
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Re: Anybody here see this about water as fuel?

Unread postby sch_peakoiler » Sat 23 Sep 2006, 06:03:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peakprepper', 'T')he entire documentary is here: link... about an hour long.
"if the technology was real (which it is not) some company would have cashed in and made oceans of money ." on the other hand, (quacks aside), look at the number of such people who have disappeared, been killed, or been threatened after large companies have looked at their inventions.

look here: link

one of the biggest hoaxes of this kind is Joe Cell. This link shows clearly it is a hoax (look how the guy backpedals from "I installed 50 working joe cells" down to "My own Joe Cell does not work and I can not repair it") Was he ever threatened? Killled?
Free energy hoaxes are worth killing anybody. But the hoaxers themselve like to pump up their own self esteem by crying like "they are after me". "They killed JFK and now they are coming for me oh no." This is all the time the same.
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Re: Anybody here see this about water as fuel?

Unread postby MonteQuest » Fri 29 Sep 2006, 00:11:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', ' ')I have some difficulties in understanding the complaints people bring up that hydrogen is not an energy and therefore not a solution. OK, that is true, but hydrogen can be charged with electricity and we will have access to electricity long after we run out of oil.
So until someone thinks of something better, I think it still is an interesting alternative to petrol. Perhaps not yet economically viable and efficient enough, but we got to start somewhere.


Hydrogen must be made from an existing energy source.

Currently, that is mostly natural gas which will go into decline shortly after oil.

2nd law of thermodynamics says you will get less energy from doing this than you started with.

Electricity is not an energy source either, it must be made from an existing energy source like oil, coal, natural gas, or uranium. You can use solar or wind and electroysis to separate the H2 from H20 and produce hydrogen.

With the last two, we have scalability issues. And to use conventional electricity sources, this also assumes we will have excess electrical capacity to feed a heat sink like hydrogen post -peak.

I doubt that very much.
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Re: Anybody here see this about water as fuel?

Unread postby budeone » Fri 29 Sep 2006, 00:18:55

That was a very interesting post.. Thanks
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Re: Anybody here see this about water as fuel?

Unread postby Micki » Fri 29 Sep 2006, 00:26:00

That doesn't mean we should cease development of hydrogen based means of transportation.
Even if we only replace 10% of current carbon based transportation means, it is better than 0%.

Development must start somewhere. New solutions won't just popout of nowhere (unless the aliens are nice enough to share their secrets).

Initially this may mean a mix of different fuel alternatives, cut backs on non-essencial travel/transport etc.
The importance here is that hydrogen can help mitigate negative impact during a transition period.
This may buy time for development of better solutions.

Now throw in some doomerish demand destruction as a result of some die-off and you will soon be able to replace quite a large percentage of the oil need with electricity based solutions.
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Re: Anybody here see this about water as fuel?

Unread postby MonteQuest » Fri 29 Sep 2006, 00:32:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', 'T')hat doesn't mean we should cease development of hydrogen based means of transportation.
Even if we only replace 10% of current carbon based transportation means, it is better than 0%.

Development must start somewhere. New solutions won't just popout of nowhere (unless the aliens are nice enough to share their secrets).


Development? More of the same?

You don't quite get it do you?

There is no techno-fix for this so we can continue "happy motoring".

This is a cope and adapt situation.

Efforts to maintain the status quo are doomed to make the matters worse, not better.

Hydrogen takes more energy to make than you get from it.

We should create a new energy consumer?

A fool's errand.
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Re: Anybody here see this about water as fuel?

Unread postby MonteQuest » Fri 29 Sep 2006, 00:35:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', ' ')Now throw in some doomerish demand destruction as a result of some die-off and you will soon be able to replace quite a large percentage of the oil need with electricity based solutions.


Electricity is not an energy source any more than hydrogen is.

And...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n the case of electricity, the technology to store it (namely batteries) is still not very efficient. Moreover, while electricity can, to a certain extent, be moved within a country, it cannot be moved from one continent to the next. Electricity cannot be efficiently stockpiled and it has a limited reach.
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Re: Anybody here see this about water as fuel?

Unread postby MonteQuest » Fri 29 Sep 2006, 00:38:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Micki', '
')The importance here is that hydrogen can help mitigate negative impact during a transition period.


The US Dept of Energy doesn't think so. It just cut all long-term funding for hydrogen research and development.
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