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**US DECLINE**

**Dollar Collapse**

**Police State US Wheel of Evil Empire Avarice & Hypocrisy**

**US Pyramid Scheme set to black hole itself**



US **Housing Bust and other US scams****America, why it will break apart!** - by our own beloved Leaf21 Former US Military brainwashed soldier that now sees the light!

What more too add? Me thinks this sufficent.

[qwerty]

If anyone has more evidence of immenint US collapse feel free to post.
[s]After all in America we still have freedom of Speech.[/s]

[PrairieMule]

I believe a economic depression is imminent and the country is in for rough times that will redefine us, but no America will still be around in 50 years.

Sorry to dissapoint.

[qwerty]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'I') believe a economic depression is imminent and the country is in for rough times that will redefine us, but no America will still be around in 50 years.

Sorry to dissapoint.

[Tyler_JC]

Is this thread anything more than just doomer porn?

The US Federal Government complete with an electoral-college-elected president, a Senate, Supreme Court, Army, Department of Transportation and Department of Agriculture will still exist in 2056.

You may never hear from them, but they will exist.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('qwerty', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'I') believe a economic depression is imminent and the country is in for rough times that will redefine us, but no America will still be around in 50 years.
Sorry to dissapoint.

[PrairieMule]

No more like the Ponderosa

I think in a economic recovery would lead us to a a more agrarian based economy rather than boomtowns reliant on a Just-in-time logistics strategy.

[qwerty]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'I')s this thread anything more than just doomer porn?

The US Federal Government complete with an electoral-college-elected president, a Senate, Supreme Court, Army, Department of Transportation and Department of Agriculture will still exist in 2056.

You may never hear from them, but they will exist.

[PrairieMule]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '
')I do think these programs will collapse, and I have never factored them into my end-of-life/oldage plans, but the US constitution is not dependent upon the continuation of social security, medicare, and medicaid, so in the end, the United States will not be dissolving any time soon.

[Free]

I think it's silly to assume that the US will dissolve in our lifetime. It might well be the case in the distant future though.

But I think that for example the EU is a much more fragile system that indeed might break in our lifetime (which would be catastrophic and deadly for Europe).

Social security is not a problem that the Americans are facing alone, in fact demographics in basically all industrialized countries are alarming.

No, I think if we see a decline of the US empire you have to think "Soviet Union" rather than "Rome" in terms of immediate effects, and "Rome" rather than "Soviet Union" in terms of the timeline....

[PenultimateManStanding]

I would like to think that too, Free. But there is a little problem here in the US. We are far more dependant on easy motoring. Houses built very far from work centers. A whole way of life built on commuting 40, 50, 60 miles in each direction every day. When gasoline becomes too expensive to support this arrangement there will be millions of people left high and dry, stranded in a dysfunctional system. It could get real ugly real fast.

[Free]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I') would like to think that too, Free. But there is a little problem here in the US. We are far more dependant on easy motoring. Houses built very far from work centers. A whole way of life built on commuting 40, 50, 60 miles in each direction every day. When gasoline becomes too expensive to support this arrangement there will be millions of people left high and dry, stranded in a dysfunctional system. It could get real ugly real fast.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I') would like to think that too, Free. But there is a little problem here in the US. We are far more dependant on easy motoring. Houses built very far from work centers. A whole way of life built on commuting 40, 50, 60 miles in each direction every day. When gasoline becomes too expensive to support this arrangement there will be millions of people left high and dry, stranded in a dysfunctional system. It could get real ugly real fast.

[PenultimateManStanding]

I don't know guys. I hope you are right. I really hate to think of 20 dollar gas and what it will do. Maybe we can adjust, and maybe we can keep it all going, but I just get so pessimistic sometimes.

[Ludi]

"none of the above"

The US will cease to be a superpower, but it won't "dissolve," in my opinion.


We'll just flail around a lot, make life miserable for ourselves and others, then get poor.

[PrairieMule]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I') don't know guys. I hope you are right. I really hate to think of 20 dollar gas and what it will do. Maybe we can adjust, and maybe we can keep it all going, but I just get so pessimistic sometimes.

[Denny]

It is really pathetic that so many people want to wallow in the cynical pit of doom and gloom.

Why can't the American people take care of their elderly's financial and medical needs? No good reason at all. That is just basic civic responsibility. Even with the worst peak oil can throw at it, America is abundantly blessed with so much.

Why can't people survice wiht much less oil? Sutre they can, its a lot less conveenient, but it can be done. Don't forget that farmers lived good productive, yes even happy lives, though dispsersed across a huge geographic expanse a century ago. Using much less oil then than a typical city dweller does today.

As a teenager, I had an elderly neighbour who related his stories about walking 4.5 miles each morning to work on a relative's farm back during World War I. He was so happy to get a bike later. And, to top it off, the reason he just did not move in at the farm for the summer was he wanted to be near home to play baseball in the village league outside Toronto.

I think we have just become a bunch of candy asses. That will have to change, and maybe we'll be the better for it.

All the financial issues revolving around social prgrams are resolvable with a spirit good will to others, disciplined accounting and proper taxes.

Something to think about in a couple of weeks or so, as Thanksgiving rolls around. God has been so good to us, especially here in America.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', 'W')hy can't the American people take care of their elderly's financial and medical needs? No good reason at all. That is just basic civic responsibility. Even with the worst peak oil can throw at it, America is abundantly blessed with so much.

[Doly]

What do you mean by "dissolves"?

Economic meltdown? Anytime between now and five years time. I don't give it longer than five years. And I'm being conservative here to be able to say it with 95% confidence.

Breakdown of the United States into different states/coalitions of states? A bit longer. Let's say, from 1 to 10 years from the beginning of the economic meltdown.