[whereagles]

We have been going in the wrong direction eversince day 1 of oil extraction. From the day we stared, we knew it was going to end

But consider what would have happened without oil: you would not have had the enormous evolution of the 20th century. Or at least you would have had much less of it. Oil has probably bought us a couple of centuries of advancement. It would have been backwards not to use it.

It is very human to use something that is very convenient. In fact it is almost mathematical that mankind will use/squander every resource it has available.

Is the use of oil irrational? Maybe. Logical? Definitely.

[SoothSayer]

>> When the American economy really starts to go south, many will be suprised at just how prepared they were IMO!

The never ending stream of anti-terror laws in the UK could easily be used to control the population in the event of energy problems.

I even saw my first UK govt TV advert a few days ago which is "pushing" conservation to prevent eco disaster.

Yep, we'll be hit by the "guilt trip" .... "fuel cutbacks to fight terror" or "fuel cutbacks to save the planet".

Dissent will be regarded as anti-social.

1984 here we come.

[UncoveringTruths]

He stated this while trying to debunk the Nuclear for peaceful purposes claim from Iran.

Source: CNN Situation Room Wolf Blitzer

[NEOPO]

Thats because the Neocon plan involves a return to Iran in 2350 A.D. after the worst of the radiation has cleared to retrieve their oil

[emersonbiggins]

400 years' worth of oil? Not if they intend on propping their economy up, there's not...

On a related note, how's the Iranian corn harvest going to be this year?



I guess what's good for the Shah is not good for the...well, you know.

[rogerhb]

Maybe if they do to the Iranian oil industry what they did to Iraq's.

Did he explain why the US was keen for the Shah to go nuclear?

[nero]

This is stupidity at several levels.

1. Oil is not a direct replacement for nuclear, as oil is too valuable to use to produce electircity.

2. He must have his own optimistic estimate of Iranian reserves as the Iranian R/P ratio is 92.

3. Iran oil consumption is growing. In a couple of generations they will have a 100 million people all expecting to lead the good life as promised by their government.

4. Reserves don't count, production is all that matters.

5. Iran has had a hard time maintaining their oil production levels, putting into question their own reserve numbers let alone Bolton's extra 200 billion barrels of oil.

6. The US was a major oil exporter when it developed its own nuclear energy industry. So was the Soviet Union for that matter.

7. They had no problem selling nuclear technology to the Shah back in the 70s.

8. Nuclear technology is all about national pride. It's Iran's 'Man on the Moon" project, so need has got nothing to do with it.

[emersonbiggins]

Nero, that makes too much sense.

Bolton would rather posit that Iran is seeking nukes so that it can start WW3, and, in a sense, shit in its own backyard. That keeps us (well, those in bed with certain ME interests) s c a r e d ... This is the only possible scenario for an American takeover of the ME. So, it must be the only one that's true*.

*not really

[Aaron]

Predicting oil futures & plays the sax... what a guy.

[Carlhole]

Back in the mid-70's, the Carter Whitehouse declared |(paraphrasing) that Iran would be a good customer for US nuclear technology because its oil reserves were expected to peak and begin to decline in about fifteen years - that would have put Iran's peak at about 1990 or so.

I remember reading this somewhere.

[Dreamtwister]

Where is he pulling these numbers from, his moustache?

[NEOPO]

his moust-ass!!!

[PrairieMule]

Hold on a minute! If you destroy 99.9% of the Earth's population in a nuclear exchange and consumption is reduced to less than 1 million barrels a day for 20 million humans left, I guess he could be right. In that scenario we would have sufficient reserves for mankind.

Just goes to show most problems can be solved with Modest Proposals. Hoo-ray for fuzzy math!

[ohanian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrairieMule', 'H')old on a minute! If you destroy 99.9% of the Earth's population in a nuclear exchange and consumption is reduced to less than 1 million barrels a day for 20 million humans left, I guess he could be right. In that scenario we would have sufficient reserves for mankind.

Just goes to show most problems can be solved with Modest Proposals. Hoo-ray for fuzzy math!

[DantesPeak]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'B')ack in the mid-70's, the Carter Whitehouse declared |(paraphrasing) that Iran would be a good customer for US nuclear technology because its oil reserves were expected to peak and begin to decline in about fifteen years - that would have put Iran's peak at about 1990 or so.

I remember reading this somewhere.

[ClassicSpiderman]

If Iran develops nuclear reactors they will be able to reduce their internal demand for oil and sell more of it on the world market, thus lowering the price and easing the pain for American consumers.

Ahmadinejad should try to say that in his next charm offensive.

[Concerned]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClassicSpiderman', 'I')f Iran develops nuclear reactors they will be able to reduce their internal demand for oil and sell more of it on the world market, thus lowering the price and easing the pain for American consumers.

Ahmadinejad should try to say that in his next charm offensive.

[seahorse]

The current administrations arguments against Iran having a nuclear program are contradictory to the US helping the Shah begin a nuclear program in the 70s. The Iranians point that contradiction out, but its rarely covered in US MSM.



Iran Wikipedia

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'T')he current administrations arguments against Iran having a nuclear program are contradictory to the US helping the Shah begin a nuclear program in the 70s. The Iranians point that contradiction out, but its rarely covered in US MSM.



Iran Wikipedia

[rwwff]

A curious thing occurs to me, if Iran's primary intention is to get electricity generation from Nuclear online; then I think the rational action would have been to take the deal (at least for now) where the Russians provide the fuel rods. Get the reactors built and experience running them; then quietly and methodlically work on the fuel cycle. Their internal uranium reserves aren't going anywhere.

I think it has to be the national pride thing; something to keep the pressure off the mullahs running the show. Keep the population focused on Armenawhatsit; build a bit of nationalist fervor.

PS: Anyone think Iran can produce enough food to feed 100 million people?