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Re: Happy "Be Afraid Day"

Unread postby Miki » Tue 12 Sep 2006, 16:35:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 'n')on valid point. of course we dont. the jews dont fly panes into our buildings.

Neither do the Palestinians.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')hat a load of bullshit. you ever hear of the word dhimmi? how bout sharia law. your last statment was an out right lie.

Dhimmis are not a consequence of Islam, but a consequence of repressive governments. The Shariah law is interpreted differently by different Imams and countries. Only those that interpret it literally impose violations of human rights on their citizens. Most Imams and Muslims interpret the Shariah in a moderate (lenient) way. That's why most Muslim countries are governed by a lenient interpretation of the Shariah that is mixed with Western law.

However, there are some dictators that impose an extremist (literal) interpreation of the Shariah on their people (eg, Saudi Arabia). Those are the people that should not be left to be in power or someone should at least put pressure on them to change those laws that go against what the Arab people want. But the US needs both the Saudis and the Afghani dicatator in power, so it won't do anything to favor democracy or human rights in those two countries.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'j')ust because a minority of extremists interpret it in that way. The main problem are all those dictators that transalate extremist interpretations of Islam into laws
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'm')uslim sharia law??? duh miki. your agument is not fooling anybody with half a brain.

You're repeating what I said. The literal interpretation of the Shariah law is the literal interpretation of Islam that I was referring to.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'a')nd impose them on the people. If the people were to democratically elect the future of their nations and their laws, you can be sure that more moderate views of Islam would prevail both in the law and in society.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'y')our assurance makes us feel so much better. lebanon was the only case of this. every where else is the complete opposite of what you said

Do you have the polls to prove it? Or are you just guessing?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')hat about muslim women who dont report it because of the shame it brings them?

Sexual assault goes undereported in all societies. I've been trying to find the numbers for the crime rates in Lebanon, but they don't seem to be online, or perhaps I'm not using the right keywords. I'll post it when I find them. I'm pretty sure the crime rates are lower than in the US, but I want to show you the numbers to prove it--if I can find them!

This may sound odd to Americans, but it's very hard to commit a crime in Lebanon, simply because people within neighborhoods or villages know each other! Besides, there are very few crowded neighborhoods, something which makes crimes more visible.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'i')ve already proven that arabs and muslims are the biggest pack of rapists. http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic22536.html can you find me proof that 80 white guys will gang rape a female? ive already shown you what your arab brothers do.

Yes, you got me there. 80-men gang rape is a Muslim cultural thing. They should copy-right it. Whites do the gang rape with less men.
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Re: Happy "Be Afraid Day"

Unread postby Miki » Tue 12 Sep 2006, 17:07:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'M')iki,It is you who refer to "Arabs" without differentiation. So, if you consider everyone in the ME an Arab without differentiation, then I will do the same and give all Arabs the blame for Bin Laden.

Yes, they are Arabs. It's Arab culture, Arab language....Just because they are all Arabs, it doesn't mean that they are all the same, but they share Arab culture. Just like LatinAmericans share LatinAmerican culture, and we call them Latinos (as). Not all the people in the ME are Arabs though: there are the Persians, the Jews, the Canaanites...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'b')ut it doesn't take away from the fact that the immorality of not letting women vote, women as property, etc, comes from the fact that Islam is a very repressive religion, there is no separation of church and state, and, in the end,

SH, I've explained to you already that it is not Islam per se, but an extremist interpretation of it that is imposed on the people by the dictators that rule them.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')rabs do nothing about it. If they want to change it, they could. Ultimately, if it is their American puppet governments that are the problem, bomb them, fly planes into their buildings, blow up their trains, oil infastructure.

Is this a joke? Who do you think has control of the army? The people or the government? Do you think the people own planes? Do you know what happens to anyone that dares to protest? Ask all the people that have been slaughtered, jailed, and tortured by Arab dctators. It shows you've always lived in a democracy. You think these people can protest and revolt? The moment any of them opens his/her mouth, he/she will be jailed or killed, depending on how aggressive the protest is.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hey accept no responsibility for their own governance, its too easy to blame others.

Well let them elect their government first!!!!! You Americans elect your government, and you still don't accept responsability for what your government does to the Palestinians using your tax dollars. And you expect the Arab people to take responsability for a goverment that they didn't elect and they have no voice in?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')s for Iraqi deaths, keep in mind that most of the deaths occuring in Iraq are caused by Iraqis killing Iraqis.
At this point the situation is so chaotic that no one knows who's killing whom. However, you can't discount the fact that A LOT of those fighting are resisting the US occupation. It's not like the US is sitting at the sidelones watching Irakis killing each other. Neither can you discount the fact that Bush says he's fighting Al Qaeda factions in Irak. Do you really think the American soldiers are killing only a minority of the civilians? In all honesty, I don't trust the numbers given by your government. They have lied about Irak before, and all the world knows it. I'll look for an independent source and we'll see if most of those dieing are being killed by Irakis.

Moreover, a lot of terrorists are in Irak right now only because it is easy for them to kill Americans there. Once the US leaves, a lot of them will leave. Al Qaeda had nothing to do with Irak before the US arrived. You guys brought terrorism to Irak, and now you're killing the Iraki people to fight back the terrorists. Why do the Iraki people need to pay the price? Besides, most Irakis want your government out of Irak, so you should just leave Irak and let the Iraki people solve their own problems.
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Re: Happy "Be Afraid Day"

Unread postby nwildmand » Tue 12 Sep 2006, 18:00:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 'n')on valid point. of course we dont. the jews dont fly planes into our buildings.
Neither do the Palestinians.

it does not matter. they are all arabs. one big community as you have said yourself. it also ignores the suicide bombing of buses and resturants.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 't')hat a load of bullshit. you ever hear of the word dhimmi? how bout sharia law. your last statment was an out right lie.
Dhimmis are not a consequence of Islam, but a consequence of repressive governments.

you have it totally wrong and you live in the middle east? how could this be? thats right your a terrorist pr liar. dhimmis is directly written into islamic law. link
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'T')he Shariah law is interpreted differently by different Imams and countries. Only those that interpret it literally impose violations of human rights on their citizens. Most Imams and Muslims interpret the Shariah in a moderate (lenient) way. That's why most Muslim countries are governed by a lenient interpretation of the Shariah that is mixed with Western law.
thank god some ofthen have some western laws. cutting peoples hands and feet off and being stoned to death is what the core of sharia is.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'H')owever, there are some dictators that impose an extremist (literal)
you get it boys and girls. the literal view of islamic law is extremist in nature. cutting hands and feet off and stoning people to death is the literal view of islamic law. this is what is considered normal if you take the koran at its word.[/quote]$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'i')nterpreation of the Shariah on their people (eg, Saudi Arabia). Those are the people that should not be left to be in power or someone should at least put pressure on them to change those laws that go against what the Arab people want.
power comes from the people.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'B')ut the US needs both the Saudis and the Afghani dicatator in power, so it won't do anything to favor democracy or human rights in those two countries.
we dont care about thier rights. the people should take care of it themselves. thats if they want to change it. i dont want thier laws or society or them over here. we dont need that crap and there will always be a force of them that want that literal islamic crap. i say send them packing
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'j')ust because a minority of extremists interpret it in that way. The main problem are all those dictators that transalate extremist interpretations of Islam into laws
because people take thier religios book at face value. this religion will never work.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 'm')uslim sharia law??? duh miki. your agument is not fooling anybody with half a brain.You're repeating what I said. The literal interpretation of the Shariah law is the literal interpretation of Islam that I was referring to.
trying to get 1 billion people to not interperate there relgion literaly is not going to work. a religious book is supposed to be taken literally.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'a')nd impose them on the people. If the people were to democratically elect the future of their nations and their laws, you can be sure that more moderate views of Islam would prevail both in the law and in society.your assurance makes us feel so much better. lebanon was the only case of this. every where else is the complete opposite of what you saidDo you have the polls to prove it? Or are you just guessing?
do you have anything to prove otherwise?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... aria19.xml
4 OUT OF TEN MUSLIMS WANT SHARIA LAW IN ENGLAND. not in the middle east, in a western country.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 'w')hat about muslim women who dont report it because of the shame it brings them?Sexual assault goes undereported in all societies.
of course it does but that does not negate my point. the shame is greater in islam. in some muslim countrys 4 male witnesses are needed to convict a rapist. if she does not have that she will be jailed.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'I')'ve been trying to find the numbers for the crime rates in Lebanon, but they don't seem to be online, or perhaps I'm not using the right keywords. I'll post it when I find them. I'm pretty sure the crime rates are lower than in the US, but I want to show you the numbers to prove it--if I can find them!
why dont you compare it to where i live.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/ndcrimn.htm
you wont do better than this. men are men here and we dont have to go around stoning people to death or cutting there hands and feet off to keep the crime down.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'T')his may sound odd to Americans, but it's very hard to commit a crime in Lebanon, simply because people within neighborhoods or villages know each other! Besides, there are very few crowded neighborhoods, something which makes crimes more visible.
it does sound odd to me since you live in the 26th most densly populated country on the planet.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 'i')ve already proven that arabs and muslims are the biggest pack of rapists. http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic22536.html can you find me proof that 80 white guys will gang rape a female? ive already shown you what your arab brothers do.Yes, you got me there. 80-men gang rape is a Muslim cultural thing. They should copy-right it. Whites do the gang rape with less men.
no white people rape less period. literal islamic law give men the rights to rape "war brides", slaves and whoever shows to much ankle.
fuck mohammed(may his soul rest with dead pigs) and islam and this american hating thread.
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Re: Happy "Be Afraid Day"

Unread postby nwildmand » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 13:42:59

have you nothing to say to this miki? you usually do not let my responses drift to the second page.
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Re: Happy "Be Afraid Day"

Unread postby Miki » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 16:11:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 'i')t does not matter. they are all arabs. one big community as you have said yourself. it also ignores the suicide bombing of buses and resturants.

This is faulty reasoning. Just because Arabs share a culture, it does not mean that each Arab nation should be blamed for what a terrorist group of Arab extremists does. Did you blame Ireland for the actions of the IRA? Besides, blame your government first, cause they almost created Al Qaeda.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'y')ou have it totally wrong and you live in the middle east? how could this be? thats right your a terrorist pr liar dhimmis is directly written into islamic law..

I already explained to you that the literal interpretations of the Shariah are only advocated by the extremist clerics. The idea of treating non-Muslims in derogatory ways is an extremist concept.

In countries where people have not elected their government, these extremist interpretations of Islam are often enforced on the population. Still, most Christians living in the ME are not living in misery either. I've met Syrian Christians that are relatives of my mom, and they say they're very happy in Syria, a country were Christians are a very small minority.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')hank god some ofthen have some western laws. cutting peoples hands and feet off and being stoned to death is what the core of sharia is.

Wallow in your bigotry.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'y')ou get it boys and girls. the literal view of islamic law is extremist in nature. cutting hands and feet off and stoning people to death is the literal view of islamic law. this is what is considered normal if you take the koran at its word.

If you take the Bible and the Torah literally and out of context, you get a lot of nast things too. The Holy Books are meant to be read taking into consideration the totality of the message conveyed, the time in which they were written, etc. I've explained this many times, and you can ask any priest or rabbi or sheihk if you don't believe me. Apparently this whole concept is too complex for you to understand.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'p')ower comes from the people.
Only in democracies.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')e dont care about thier rights.
That's why some Palestinians were celebrating after 9/11.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'b')ecause people take thier religios book at face value. this religion will never work.
Tell that to the Evangelical and the extremist Jews that you work like a slave for. They have you working like a dog all day so they can send your taxes to Israel. By the time you retire, they say "sorry, but there's not enough SS for you; we sent it all to Israel so they can get back the promised land".
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 't')rying to get 1 billion people to not interperate there relgion literaly is not going to work. a religious book is supposed to be taken literally.
That's not a problem because most of them already don't interpret it literally. And no, a religious book is not to be taken literally, unless you're an Evangelical extremist or a zealot from other religion.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'd')o you have anything to prove otherwise?
Yes, I posted them in the thread called "what Muslims really think of 9/11.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'h')ttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/19/nsharia19.xml 4 OUT OF TEN MUSLIMS WANT SHARIA LAW IN ENGLAND. not in the middle east, in a western country.
1-They want Sharia law in certain parts of England and for their communities. Not for all English people. Learn to read!
2-Shariah law is interpreted by most Muslims in very moderate terms. This people just want a body of law that allows them to keep their traditions.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'o')f course it does but that does not negate my point. the shame is greater in islam. in some muslim countrys 4 male witnesses are needed to convict a rapist. if she does not have that she will be jailed.
That is not the case in Lebanon, so women here are not afraid of that.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')men are men here
And they are all as bigot as you? You have your mini Nazi Germany there? Very civilized indeed.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'i')t does sound odd to me since you live in the 26th most densly populated country on the planet.
Just because a country is densely populated, that doesn't mean cities are crowded. It all depends on how the people are distributed. Many middle class people here have a house in the coast and another in the mountains. Ask anyone that has been here. I've never been in a crowded city. Not even Beirut.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'n')o white people rape less period. literal islamic law give men the rights to rape "war brides", slaves and whoever shows to much ankle.
Do you ever care to watch Arabs on TV? Have you noticed that even women in Iran go around showing way more than their ankles? As for White people raping less, you have no way of proving it because the stats are misleading given the great rate of undereporting in both the US and the Arab world.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'f')uck mohammed(may his soul rest with dead pigs) and islam and this american hating thread.
Amen.
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Re: Happy "Be Afraid Day"

Unread postby Gridlock » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 16:38:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '4') OUT OF TEN MUSLIMS WANT SHARIA LAW IN ENGLAND. not in the middle east, in a western country.

There are at least 25 million Christian Fundamentalist in the US, about 8%. About 2 million muslims in the UK, about 3%. Ignoring the varied interpretations of Sharia law, looks like you’ve got a lot of work to do. This was also a poll shortly after British troops beat shit out of some Iraqi youths which got recorded on TV. Feelings were running high.
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Re: Happy "Be Afraid Day"

Unread postby PolestaR » Fri 15 Sep 2006, 17:34:40

Some nice rants here between seahorse and miki. Miki maybe its mentioned elsewhere but are you a muslim? If so why are you even on this forum or the internet,etc, when you choose to have faith in a god? Why can you pick and choose when to use logic and rationality?

I saw some 'muslims' in a documentary from Dawkins which said they want world domination (their religion spread to everyone). Now christians are just as bad, as are Jews, but how can anyone coexist with these conflicting irrationalities? It's pointless arguing about this shit because arguments can only fully resolve themselves when logic, rationality and facts are involved. The 3 main religions have none of these.

If you want to have faith then thats good, go off and be the robotic sheep your holy book wants you to be. Don't start trying to have debates with people with your flawed (logically and rationally) belief system. If you can come on here and be logical then you can also apply that to your religion and see if it stands up to scrutiny using the same system.
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Re: Happy "Be Afraid Day"

Unread postby max_power29 » Sat 16 Sep 2006, 07:43:15

BOTH OF OUR RESPECTIVE GOVERNMENTS, SOCIETIES, RELIGIONS, AND OVERALL CULTURES ARE TOTAL ASSHOLES, LETS GET OFF OUR HIGH HORSES AND STOP KIDDING OURSELVES!
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Re: Happy "Be Afraid Day"

Unread postby NEOPO » Sat 16 Sep 2006, 08:15:43

uhm....not wishing to point out the obvious BUT we/most of us LIVE in the western world thus we are subjected to the western view, mindset, moral code if you can call it that etc etc.
Just like "they" are brainwashed. So and since I am in this western world I always hear about how bad the "others" are and rarely anything critical about my own "hypocritical" world.

Imagine a scale - on one side many and on the other side few.
You must push hard on the few side in order to find balance and perhaps with that you can find the fulcrum of reason and logic. So I will speak out against my government and/or my own people more then the "others".

One of the reasons is that I know we have alot of the power yet we drop down to barbaric levels and even farther we stoop.
We say "bring it on" to those who hate us as if peace were an impossibility. Its a bunch of neener neener childish bullshit - see!!! see!! they do this so we can do that etc etc blah.

You know about Peakoil - you understand tha NEOCON agenda and the end sum game we are playing. You must, yet you seem so naive at the same time. "They" did not take one or two of our states over for resources. How many american women and children have been sacrificed to the God of War and Economy?

I am with you Max but are you with me? Do you see what I mean about attempting to balance things out abit? We get fed so much USA/UK can do no wrong BS it is our FN duty to counter balance it before these freaks have us all labelled, tagged and incarcerated for thinking differently.

Yes it is all a pile of shit ultimately its just that it certainly seems that the western world/USA/UK is primarily responsible for the HEAPING PILE we now have on our table. Can anyone deny this with a straight face? Now someone give me an AMEN or go outside and play hide and go fuck yourselves ;-)
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Re: Happy "Be Afraid Day"

Unread postby rwwff » Sat 16 Sep 2006, 12:07:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'S')o and since I am in this western world I always hear about how bad the "others" are and rarely anything critical about my own "hypocritical" world.


They are "bad" because they are not us, they have stuff we want, and they are being uppity about it. As it has always been in the past, when a weak twit with lunch money intentionally harrasses a big thug who is hungry and pennyless, the big guy whacks the twit on the head, takes the money, and goes to get lunch.

I see no need to make it more complicated than that.
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