[Aaron]

Rather be spit on by you Pops... than by the best people in the world.

Wait...

Never-mind.

So in the spirit of this thread.

I worked for Chase Manhattan on Sept. 11 2001, and was commuting back & forth from Houston to Wall Street working on projects.

I was in the North Tower 2 weeks before 911, and staying across the street at the Millennium Hilton.

One of my favorite restaurants was in the Marriott attached to the Towers complex in the back. A place called Tall Ships.

I was shocked to say the least when 911 happened... & me scheduled to fly right to that very spot the next week. As I watched Bryant Gimbel telling me about a plane crash, I saw the second plane impact over his shoulder.

I have many memories of the area & the people there... friends & colleagues.

The person I always think of on 9-11, is the girl who served me coffee in the Star buck's beneath the Towers.

I always wonder what happened to her that day.

Didn't know her name, so I guess I'll never know her fate.

And I agree with Pops here... we pissed away an amazing opportunity post 911.

On the up side... I'm gonna wager that we will have many more of these opportunities as things progress.

tasteful

[Princess]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I') guess I was trolling to see if there were any emotions here aside from the stock right/left/conspiracy party slogans.

[gg3]

... And I for one readily get sick of public emotionalizing, which the media milks as if humans are cows to be milked dry so their feelings can be bottled in the glass tube and sold to drooling voyeurs.

I don't want to bleed all over the page about how I'm feeling. I want to take you there if you're up for the trip. Come with me into my world, my universe, it's wilder than science fiction, and it's all real. Or don't. Your choice. And maybe I'll go with you into your world, your universe, upside or downside, Heaven or Hell or a walk in the woods, just as long as there's something I can do about it other than watch.

But no patheticism or confessionalism or testimonial-moanial-moaning or whatever it's called these days.

Co-pilots wanted, passengers accepted, but spectators not welcome here.

[holmes]

fk u and your spit on pops! If it was my way id kill every rag head. Every fucking one. hear that right? Then Id start raining fire and brimstone down on the borders. Deportations at scales never been seen before. it would be a second civil war. Then the hangings would commence. The corporations would be weeded out. Culled. The gubmint rduced by force. I was at work in NY when it happened.
after its all done. Return to being a nuetral, nationalistic country. powered down and free. fk u all.
and Ill back the Jews over any self loathing POS and arab anyday of the week.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('holmes', 'f')k u and your spit on pops! If it was my way id kill every rag head. Every fucking one. hear that right? Then Id start raining fire and brimstone down on the borders. Deportations at scales never been seen before. it would be a second civil war. Then the hangings would commence. The corporations would be weeded out. Culled. The gubmint rduced by force. I was at work in NY when it happened.
after its all done. Return to being a nuetral, nationalistic country. powered down and free. fk u all.
and Ill back the Jews over any self loathing POS and arab anyday of the week.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'I')t’s the American way.

So today there are topics about how girls are like tape, which printer to buy and Israel

Is there any patriotism left out there…. hello?

I am pissed. I see no one with a single thought about today.

Nada.



I am an old time/new time democrat. – yea that means I am for the working guy and the rich guy better work for his keep as well. I don’t give a hoot about who you do, or what your color, or your persuasion –


Didn’t anyone have any feelings five years ago?

Or am I the only one to think about that today?

Or are we gonna talk about how both parties are the same and it doesn’t matter whether we vote and the corporations control everything and TPTB did 9/11 and, and…


Tribes

Communities

Bullshit…


This site is full of a bunch of internet eunuchs playing with their mouse.


*spit*

[holmes]

fucking flake? so flake now is twisted and convoluted now? Is flakre now usurped? Up is down. war is peace. double speak now?
Im as rock solid as it gets! What u see is what u get! My views are right on the table. Nothing hidden!

aahhhhh the sweet usurpation of the vocabulary now.
self laothing is strength now in this fucked up shitstem.
Thank u for clarifying what I already know.
and pops speaks with his own mind. I dont give a rats ass if he likes me or not. i respect him and thats all that matters to me.

KILL means KILL to me. Defend border means defend borders. Thats right. peace means peace.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')ahhhhh the sweet usurpation of the vocabulary now.
self laothing is strength now in this fucked up shitstem.
Thank u for clarifying what I already know.
and pops speaks with his own mind. I dont give a rats ass if he likes me or not. i respect him and thats all that matters to me.

KILL means KILL to me. Defend border means defend borders. Thats right. peace means peace.
_________________

[holmes]

do not force me to live side by side with a culture I dont like. stop with your vile social engineering. You self loathing multiculturalists are lunatics. Look in the mirror for christs sake!
Throw acid on my womans face for not wearing a veil Ill shoot you in the head. Or Ill kill u with a lead pipe. eaither way keep away.
Keep your muslim loving to yourself.
The self laothing cities are in for a hell ride. went into portland this weekend. saw the muslims in full force. Its going to get bloody.
Thats right I have no problem wacking a stacking muslims.
They will blow anything and everything and anyone up. Im speachless that this is not understood.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'd')o not force me to live side by side with a culture I dont like. stop with your vile social engineering. You self loathing multiculturalists are lunatics. Look in the mirror for christs sake!
Throw acid on my womans face for not wearing a veil Ill shoot you in the head. Or Ill kill u with a lead pipe. eaither way keep away.
Keep your muslim loving to yourself.
The self laothing cities are in for a hell ride. went into portland this weekend. saw the muslims in full force. Its going to get bloody.
Thats right I have no problem wacking a stacking muslims.
They will blow anything and everything and anyone up. Im speachless that this is not understood.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')ent into portland this weekend. saw the muslims in full force. Its going to get bloody

[mgibbons19]

Pops is right.

RIP fellow humans.

[aflurry]

I don't see the connection between sentimentalism and patriotism.

This morning the headline on my local paper once again used the phrase, "The nation mourns..." The fuck it does. Nations do not mourn. People mourn. And I believe in giving a certain dignity to actual heartfelt mourning done by people, privately or however they choose.

nations are moved to irrational actions by manipulative sentimentalism.

I do not confuse the personal, private process of grieving with the sickening emotionalism shoved at me by corporate media profiteers goading me to feel something like outrage or kinship or righteousness, which are not true emotions.

I personally don't feel too much about 9/11, since you asked. I didn't know anyone directly involved. And i would think that anyone with any direct connection to the event should be personally offended if i came out weeping and crying and pulling my hair out and pretending to really have some connection beyond the general empathy I have for anyone from whatever country who has experienced some loss from war or any other political conflict, with "terrorism" on equal footing with anything else. which includes the 9/11 victims, and all of the families of Iraqi dead, and isrealis blown up on buses, and Palistinians trapped under bulldozers, and the goddamn branch davidian kids even, and the people in that train in spain, the vietnamese blown up by landmines, and on and on.

So to me, there's nothing particularly special about 9/11/06. Just another day in the life of the modern war state.

The display of American self-righteousness and exceptionalism following 9/11 to me was just gross. and to dredge up the increasingly distant echo of that ugly display on round numbered years has an extra distatefulness to it... like a hollowness and roteness that at least the original outpouring lacked. All of this memorializing sounds more like mocking to me. Like opportunistic empathy. It is our obligation to reconcile our emotions and move on so that we can engage in public discussion in a tempered and rational manner, like adults for chrissake.

Every person killed going to work that day is betrayed with each person, soldier or civilian, killed in Iraq or tortured in Guantanamo out of cynical profiteering or childish rage, and the insulting sentimentalism created around 9/11 is a tool for that betrayal.

yup, that's about it.

[azreal60]

Ahh it's ok. I figured you where spitting on the ground anyway. And who better to have a fight with than your friends. After I got done pounding on ya, I'd buy ya a beer and all would be well. Least, that's how it works amongst my friends... LOL

[clueless]

Sorry - But I must agree a bit with Aflurry. I have much more sympathy for the people living in poverty and starving to death - Oh and I do sympathize with the ture heroes, the guys who went to save the stranded people - But detest the rest of the firefighters in the country who try to capitilze off the price paid by those guys - Most firefighters never go near a buring skyscraper, much less have to risk anything.

Rich people that choose to live and work in a rat race like NY City have to do so with the understanding bad things happen where there are large amounts of people, that is true in any city. Where there are lot's of people there will be lots of bad things happening.

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ost firefighters never go near a buring skyscraper, much less have to risk anything.

[clueless]

I am interested in this "HawkMan"..

Can you tell me more ?

[gw]

Pops, here's a bit of patriotism for you:

http://www.chimpeach.info

Immediately after 9/11 there was a brief period when people around the world were fully supportive of the US and united in their outrage against this terrorist act. But after Bushco thoroughly exploited 9/11 and went on an unabated Constitution-trashing crime spree, the world now sees the US in a different light. The US government is now perceived as a rogue state both at home and abroad.

"Suspects have been interrogated under torture and deprived of liberty without due process. Such methods are not only ineffective but undermine the ethical foundation of a free, democratic society"
- Thomas Hammarberg, Council of Europe Commissioner for Human Rights

See: European human rights commissioner blasts Bush for undermining ethical foundations of Democracy

Just doing my patriotic duty and demanding that Bush and his band of un-American outlaws are impeached and prosecuted for their crimes.



*spit*

[Heineken]

BushCo really seized 9/11 this year and milked it to the max, eh? A great dual performance between it and the BushCo handmaiden, the news media.

And the typical American shit-for-brains "proudly" lapped it up.

Wonder if the propaganda machine might, oh, just possibly, have been aiming at the upcoming mid-term elections, huh? Duh!

Next thing you know we'll be having Soviet-style parades down Pennsylvania Avenue on 9/11, complete with displays of mobile nuclear missiles.

[gw]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'W')onder if the propaganda machine might, oh, just possibly, have been aiming at the upcoming mid-term elections, huh?