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Should "Peak Oil" book writers be sued?

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Re: Should "Peak Oil" book writers be sued?

Unread postby EndOfSewers » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 18:39:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jeezlouise', 'A')nd at the other end, we should lock up every person who works for any automobile company, starting with the advertisers, seeing as how those awful things kill scores of people each year.


Not even remotely comparable. Global warming, oil depletion, and damn near everything else people on these boards are concerned with would be non-issues if we had a stable, sustainable population. Automobiles are just a symptom, exponential growth is the real problem -- and you can't find a bigger offender than a spiritual leader telling a billion followers to ride bareback for the glory of the Church.
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Re: Should "Peak Oil" book writers be sued?

Unread postby venky » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 19:08:23

I disagree, I think Lorenzo brings up some very valid points. Moreover it shows up Peak Oilers that our fight to spread awareness and initiate action is far from over. I do believe that we have the facts on our side; that Peak Oil is a serious issue if not addressed properly can have potentially fatal consequences.

We need to constantly study, research and improve our knowledge in order counter the arguments of the naysayers like Lorenzo. Lorenzo is right when he says that Peak Oil is a fringe movement outside the mainstream for the most although that does seem to be changing.

But what worries me is the attitude of so many intelligent, well aware people such as Lorenzo and Miki and their scepticism of Peak Oil. As many people share this attitude, even in the highest positions, whether the peak is now or in 2037, we will take no action until there is a crisis.
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Re: Should "Peak Oil" book writers be sued?

Unread postby rogerhb » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 19:54:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', 'A')s many people share this attitude, even in the highest positions, whether the peak is now or in 2037, we will take no action until there is a crisis.


I don't think anything we do will change this. Our democratic system cannot solve problems of this magnitude pre-emptively, it has to be a retrospective fix once we have gone through alot of physical, emotional and above all economic pain and a period of crucifying various scape goats.

It depends if you want to raise your head above the parapet and become a scape goat candidate.
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Re: Should "Peak Oil" book writers be sued?

Unread postby lowem » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 20:33:45

Well, somehow I do not believe that when the CEO of an investment bank writes a book, he is doing it for the money :lol:
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Re: Should "Peak Oil" book writers be sued?

Unread postby venky » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 20:49:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lowem', 'W')ell, somehow I do not believe that when the CEO of an investment bank writes a book, he is doing it for the money :lol:


Not to mention the tours, hundreds of speeches, lectures and TV and media appearances. If he is in it for the money, its probably huge....he obviously has a master plan that is probably beyond our comprehension.
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Re: Should "Peak Oil" book writers be sued?

Unread postby TheDude » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 20:49:49

I'm happy with this post, I found a nifty link:

The Jonestown Death Tape (FBI No. Q 042) (November 18, 1978).

Free!
Someone on the Net is selling a copy on CD, though...lock 'em up!
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Re: Should "Peak Oil" book writers be sued?

Unread postby jeezlouise » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 20:53:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndOfSewers', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jeezlouise', 'A')nd at the other end, we should lock up every person who works for any automobile company, starting with the advertisers, seeing as how those awful things kill scores of people each year.


Not even remotely comparable. Global warming, oil depletion, and damn near everything else people on these boards are concerned with would be non-issues if we had a stable, sustainable population. Automobiles are just a symptom, exponential growth is the real problem -- and you can't find a bigger offender than a spiritual leader telling a billion followers to ride bareback for the glory of the Church.


Agreed. However, do you really want the pope locked up or were you just being facetious? The problem I have with this finger pointing "let's go get em" stance is this: who decides what is unacceptable speech? Who has the final say on who gets locked up? What you and I may consider morally reprehensible many others see as no problem at all. Our legal system is not set up to prevent crises, only to punish after the fact, especially when crisis prevention means undermining the status quo. Since most people don't understand the correlation between the population explosion and all the problems we see today, most people would want you locked up for even suggesting such an idea. I don't, because I think that people should be able to say whatever the hell they feel like without recrimination as long as there can't be shown a reasonably direct danger to society, which, with peak oil authors, there absolutely is not.
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Re: Should "Peak Oil" book writers be sued?

Unread postby EndOfSewers » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 21:16:24

I was mostly being facetious :-D I admit it really ticks me off that such an influential organization is propounding dogma that is so obviously counter-survival.
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Re: Should "Peak Oil" book writers be sued?

Unread postby Vexed » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 21:25:35

I'm suing this guy. He ruined me!

Bastard.

And he wrote a best-selling book! I thought he had to be right!

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Re: Should "Peak Oil" book writers be sued?

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 21:30:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Vexed', 'I')'m suing this guy. He ruined me!

Bastard.

And he wrote a best-selling book! I thought he had to be right!

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HAHAHAHA

That book should have been a siren to everyone in the Western Hemisphere that screamed, "SELL".

But yeah, where do I sign up for the class action lawsuit?
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Re: Should "Peak Oil" book writers be sued?

Unread postby Neargone » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 23:25:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', 'N')ow I don't have anything against fiction authors. But if they write their fiction and present it in such a way that weak persons start to change their behavior in dangerous ways because of it, then these macchiavellistic money freaks must be stopped.
What do you think? Should they be prosecuted?


Absolutely. When it is obvious to everyone that bio-fuels are too energy intensive to use as a replacement for oil, I'm going to sue all those people that touted it and made money off of speading those lies. If these guys cause me to not believe in peak oil anymore, and it finally happens. I'm going to be seriously pissed.

If we all continue to live our lifestyles expecting bio-fuels to save us and it doesn't, who is responsible? Are you going to say that it wasn't your fault that I made decisions based on the information you provided?
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Re: Should "Peak Oil" book writers be sued?

Unread postby greenworm » Sun 10 Sep 2006, 23:30:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen it is obvious to everyone that bio-fuels are too energy intensive to use as a replacement for oil


They actually don't have to replace all of oil usage to become profitable, so I don't think you have a leg to stand on to sue anybody.
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Re: Should "Peak Oil" book writers be sued?

Unread postby MattSavinar » Mon 11 Sep 2006, 18:39:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PolestaR', 'A')ctually even though Lorenzo is quite... well you know.... he has one thing right. Ruppert, Kunstler, Matt Savinaar (though compared to the others he is small fry, I mention him because he visits here) are in it for the money as the #1 reason, no question. They do have other reasons granted and try to make them seem #1 (better business that way).

Once you see the end game of all this shit you realize you wouldnt want to tell anyone beyond your most important network to prepare for it. These clowns prolly know the endgame but think it will turn different or that the people they awaken wont make a big dent to their survival plans.


My business model is such: people get 5 updates a week and about 1 original article per month for free. 1 out of every 300-600 visitors buys something from the store. For some items, I have prices lower than even Amazon which is like having prices lower than Wal-Mart.

The problem with this is?
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Re: Should "Peak Oil" book writers be sued?

Unread postby MattSavinar » Mon 11 Sep 2006, 18:43:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', 'I') like the idea Lorenzo, but you do not understand the American legal system. You don't want to go after the authors themselves.

Let's say theoretically I sue James Kunstler for getting me to sell my house and move to an ecovillage in Costa Rica. What can I expect out of the deal? Maybe an old typewriter, a little piece of property in upstate new york and several hundred signed copies of The Long Emergency? We can do better than that.

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You sure can. Sue me and win and you'll get a global sun oven, about $100 of bush's baked beans, a 30 day suppy of freezed dried food, one pot and set of NATO issue silverware, and some permanently dirty underwear.

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Re: Should "Peak Oil" book writers be sued?

Unread postby MattSavinar » Mon 11 Sep 2006, 18:46:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Vexed', 'I')'m suing this guy. He ruined me!

Bastard.

And he wrote a best-selling book! I thought he had to be right!

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HAHAHAHA

That book should have been a siren to everyone in the Western Hemisphere that screamed, "SELL".

But yeah, where do I sign up for the class action lawsuit?


agreed, just seeing the cover of that book is enough to make me laugh heartily.
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Re: Should "Peak Oil" book writers be sued?

Unread postby MattSavinar » Mon 11 Sep 2006, 18:51:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Vexed', 'I')'m suing this guy. He ruined me!

Bastard.

And he wrote a best-selling book! I thought he had to be right!

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I'm suing these people. The advice in their book ruined me!

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Re: Should "Peak Oil" book writers be sued?

Unread postby strider3700 » Mon 11 Sep 2006, 18:53:41

After reading all of lorenzo's posts on Bio fuels savings us I've sold everything and bought biofuel stocks.

Now that Oil is coming down in price and biofuel stocks are dropping I'm losing massive amounts of cash. Can I sue lorenzo or am I just an idiot for listening to him and acting on my own free will?


<note> Biofuels won't save us I know that you know that, pretty much everyone knows that. I haven't invested my life into stocks </note>
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Re: Should "Peak Oil" book writers be sued?

Unread postby strider3700 » Mon 11 Sep 2006, 19:01:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Vexed', 'I')'m suing this guy. He ruined me!

Bastard.

And he wrote a best-selling book! I thought he had to be right!

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bah 36,000 try 50,000 only 3.5 years before I sue wired magazine as well
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.09/zeros_pr.html
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')The Dow at 100,000

The market will fluctuate daily, but by the end of the next decade the Dow Jones index will soar past the 50,000 mark. Barring total disaster, by the year 2025 the Dow will hit 100,000. Four analysts, using four different methods, have forecast the Dow reaching these seemingly exuberant heights in the coming decades.


heh this is truely a great article to read

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Prosperity Dividend

The tidal waves of wealth being generated by industry are surging into the coffers of the tax collectors. The US Congressional Budget Office expects to retire the national debt by 2009. In 2020, there could be a budget surplus in the trillions (!).



I'm often worried that people can be so radically wrong and perhaps we are wrong about peakoil. Then I remember peakoil is physics, dow 50,000 is economics.
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Re: Should "Peak Oil" book writers be sued?

Unread postby peaker_2005 » Tue 12 Sep 2006, 06:34:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Vexed', 'I')'m suing this guy. He ruined me!

Bastard.

And he wrote a best-selling book! I thought he had to be right!

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bah 36,000 try 50,000 only 3.5 years before I sue wired magazine as well
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.09/zeros_pr.html
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')The Dow at 100,000

The market will fluctuate daily, but by the end of the next decade the Dow Jones index will soar past the 50,000 mark. Barring total disaster, by the year 2025 the Dow will hit 100,000. Four analysts, using four different methods, have forecast the Dow reaching these seemingly exuberant heights in the coming decades.


heh this is truely a great article to read

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Prosperity Dividend

The tidal waves of wealth being generated by industry are surging into the coffers of the tax collectors. The US Congressional Budget Office expects to retire the national debt by 2009. In 2020, there could be a budget surplus in the trillions (!).



I'm often worried that people can be so radically wrong and perhaps we are wrong about peakoil. Then I remember peakoil is physics, dow 50,000 is economics.


:lol: :lol:
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