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by Heineken » Mon 04 Sep 2006, 10:49:26
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', ' '). . . there are scientific reasons for technological optimism.
Yes---your brain chemistry.
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by EndDays » Mon 04 Sep 2006, 16:54:41
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', ' ')... the same regurgitated stuff about JC's redeeming features...
I can see why the Romans fed the early Christians to the lions.
That's a new low for you, advocating genocide.
You have no idea how valuable each human soul is.
"For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" Matt 16:26
The core of the Gospel message is one of God's incredible grace and love for us and you're advocating people should be murdered for telling people about it.
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by TheTurtle » Mon 04 Sep 2006, 17:41:52
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', ' ')... the same regurgitated stuff about JC's redeeming features...
I can see why the Romans fed the early Christians to the lions.
That's a new low for you, advocating genocide.
You have no idea how valuable each human soul is.
I don't see that Roger is advocating genocide (even within your obviously erroneous understanding of the term). He's just saying he understands why the Romans might have reacted as they did when he sees how annoying some people who call themselves Christians can be today.
I don't personally understand how one human can kill another, but I certainly see how some people are annoying enough to bring that desire out in others.
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by ColossalContrarian » Mon 04 Sep 2006, 18:38:38
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')I don't personally understand how one human can kill another, but I certainly see how some people are annoying enough to bring that desire out in others.
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by rogerhb » Mon 04 Sep 2006, 19:17:55
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'U')nfortunately, after the application of logic and reason you do actually conclude that there is no hope.
"Reason" has worked for me so far, rog. I've taken a licking but am still ticking; greet each day with something like a smile.
What was missing the assumed part:
.... there is no hope to continue this way of life as we know it.
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by rogerhb » Mon 04 Sep 2006, 19:27:37
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', 'Y')ou have no idea how valuable each human soul is.
You are absolutely right, is the going rate about 30 pieces of silver?
However, can something that does not exist have a value?
Why would one person be interested in somebody elses soul?
Is there a market for trading these souls so we can establish the market rate for souls?
I can value human life, and I certainly rate certain peoples lives as more valuable than others.
Is there an absolute value to peoples lives? Not according to (a) economists (b) politicians (c) insurance companies (d) tobacco companies (e) arms manufacturers (f) religions
Notice that I tagged religions on the end there. For example Christianity does not care about people's lives, only their souls.
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by Heineken » Mon 04 Sep 2006, 22:16:18
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', ' ')... the same regurgitated stuff about JC's redeeming features...
I can see why the Romans fed the early Christians to the lions.
That's a new low for you, advocating genocide.
You have no idea how valuable each human soul is.
"For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" Matt 16:26The core of the Gospel message is one of God's incredible grace and love for us and you're advocating people should be murdered for telling people about it.
As Turtle explains, Roger wasn't advocating genocide. Either you didn't understand that or you chose to distort what he said in order to score some sort of propaganda point. Such distortion has always been a key tool of religion.
When I think of the history of Christianity, I think of killing and torture---and lots of them. Not to mention theft. Ditto for most other religions, but I think Christianity gets the gold star as a killing/ torture/subjugation machine.
And . . . why would Roger not know the value of a human soul, but you would? Because you've appointed yourself as specially equipped to receive God's magic word?
The whole concept of "soul" is plenty slippery. Ideal for religious priesthoods, who can play with the definition to fit their current needs.
Religion is just another power institution, and all things show it.
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by Omnitir » Mon 04 Sep 2006, 23:44:00
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', ' '). . . there are scientific reasons for technological optimism.
Yes---your brain chemistry.
Heh, of course, the same could be said of pessimism.
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by Heineken » Mon 04 Sep 2006, 23:50:27
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', ' '). . . there are scientific reasons for technological optimism.
Yes---your brain chemistry.
Heh, of course, the same could be said of pessimism.
Agreed. It all comes down to brain chemistry. Except natural laws, which cannot be circumvented by our perceptions and opinions.
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by rogerhb » Mon 04 Sep 2006, 23:57:08
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', 'T')hat's a new low for you, advocating genocide.
You have no idea how valuable each human soul is.
I thought somebody's soul was unaffected by death. Is this not the case?
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by JustinFrankl » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 10:34:06
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', 'Y')ou have no idea how valuable each human soul is.
You are absolutely right, is the going rate about 30 pieces of silver?
However, can something that does not exist have a value?
Why would one person be interested in somebody elses soul?
Is there a market for trading these souls so we can establish the market rate for souls?
I'm curious about this market, and the valuation of a soul. Is there insider trading? Is there a soul-derivatives market?
Can one person trade their soul in for two or three lesser-valued souls? It seems that Lucifer is willing to give just about any favor in exchange for "a soul", so it might be handy to have more than one on you at any given time. To get you out of a jam, or impress a date.
And what about the supply of souls? Presumably, there is some kind of inventory of souls waiting to come online. Or perhaps $Deity uses some kind of just-in-time delivery model. Like Wal*Mart.
Are souls recycled, or are new souls created with each new conception? At what point is the work-order for a new soul entered, when you just think about screwing someone, or does there have to be alcohol and heavy petting involved?
Oh, and are souls exempt from the laws of physics, or can their energy be measured and, more importantly,
harnessed? I'd like to be able to use my soul to recharge my cell phone or iPod.
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by dinopello » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 11:38:58
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', 'Y')ou have no idea how valuable each human soul is.
Is there an absolute value to peoples lives? Not according to (a) economists (b) politicians (c) insurance companies (d) tobacco companies (e) arms manufacturers (f) religions
Notice that I tagged religions on the end there. For example Christianity does not care about people's lives, only their souls.
Ford and probably other car manufacturers put the value at about 200K per life.
http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=94&did=1186
Actually, I believe it is common practice in engineering to put a monetary unit utility on things such as this so safety/cost tradeoffs can be made.
Souls, I'm not too sure about. I have seen movies that imply that Satan will grant as many as 7 wishes for a soul.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0230030/
However, even if this is true, the market for souls appear to be limited to that one customer so I don't really see much upside (if you were thinking in investing in soul futures).
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by Atlantean_Relic » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 12:15:32
So investing in Mephisto Inc, subsidiary of Asmodai International, is a bad idea.
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by smallpoxgirl » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 12:21:46
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'H')owever, even if this is true, the market for souls appear to be limited to that one customer
That seems pretty anti-capitalist. Surely there's room for a soul broker that would collect souls from the third world for say 2 wishes and then sell them wholesale for 5 wishes each.
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by PrairieMule » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 12:48:30
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'H')owever, even if this is true, the market for souls appear to be limited to that one customer
That seems pretty anti-capitalist. Surely there's room for a soul broker that would collect souls from the third world for say 2 wishes and then sell them wholesale for 5 wishes each.
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by dinopello » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 13:00:33
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'H')owever, even if this is true, the market for souls appear to be limited to that one customer
That seems pretty anti-capitalist. Surely there's room for a soul broker that would collect souls from the third world for say 2 wishes and then sell them wholesale for 5 wishes each.
Perhaps, but it is a pretty risky venture. The market for souls appears to be screwy. After all, the ability to grant wishes would seem to be a pretty valuable currency, yet Satan must schlep around practically begging for sellers.
I wouldn't buy into that soul-broker venture without a world-class subject matter expert in soul, like maybe James Brown !
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by rogerhb » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 18:10:15
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'P')erhaps, but it is a pretty risky venture. The market for souls appears to be screwy. After all, the ability to grant wishes would seem to be a pretty valuable currency, yet Satan must schlep around practically begging for sellers.
I would have thought that the occupants of the White House are wishing like mad. Hm, now where did they get those wishes from?
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by TheTurtle » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 19:19:48
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sabibaby', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', '
')I don't personally understand how one human can kill another, but I certainly see how some people are annoying enough to bring that desire out in others.
Wow, that would make a great signature. You mind if I use it?
As long as you use it wisely.
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by Omnitir » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 20:02:41
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', ' '). . . there are scientific reasons for technological optimism.
Yes---your brain chemistry.
Heh, of course, the same could be said of pessimism.
Agreed. It all comes down to brain chemistry. Except natural laws, which cannot be circumvented by our perceptions and opinions.
That's right, as history has shown, natural laws can only be circumvented by science and technology.
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by EndDays » Tue 05 Sep 2006, 20:51:56
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'H')owever, even if this is true, the market for souls appear to be limited to that one customer
That seems pretty anti-capitalist. Surely there's room for a soul broker that would collect souls from the third world for say 2 wishes and then sell them wholesale for 5 wishes each.
Perhaps, but it is a pretty risky venture. The market for souls appears to be screwy. After all, the ability to grant wishes would seem to be a pretty valuable currency, yet Satan must schlep around practically begging for sellers.
I wouldn't buy into that soul-broker venture without a world-class subject matter expert in soul, like maybe James Brown !
To correct what you're saying, Satan is going to end up where all others who've broken God's moral Law - the lake of fire. See that's why there is death in this world - its the punishment for sin. There's only been one person who didn't break God's Moral Law - Jesus Christ, that is why He defeated death.
Most people refuse to listen but when death knocks, there is no turning back. God has warned us about the consequences of dying in sin.
Yet even though we disobey Him, He loves and doesn't want anyone to perish, nor does He take any pleasure in punishing those who die in sin. That's why He's calling us to the only door to safety - through Christ.
I've said my peace, you've been warned about God's Justice and shown God's love.
I hope someday it sinks in.
Take care and God Bless,
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