[Dukat_Reloaded]

I have been watching a movie called Earthlings, I assume it was made by a PETA supported organisation. It is very difficult to watch but if can watch it, you'll be more informed where your food comes from. If you type in google "earthlings" a google video of it will appear.

As I said it is a very difficult movie to watch and only strong people should watch it. The movie will instill a strong urge to become vegetarian which is the movies main goal I believe.

If anyone has seen it can you post your opinions of it. I am half way though the movie and there is plently of hack and slashings and farmers jumping on chickens and such but it is a slow movie to watch as I am watching it in 15 minute segments and taking breaks (as I said difficult movie to watch).

The website of the move can be found here.
earthlings website

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dukat_Reloaded', 'A')s I said it is a very difficult movie to watch and only strong people should watch it. The movie will instill a strong urge to become vegetarian which is the movies main goal I believe.

[EndDays]

I agree with roger. We're totally spoiled in that we have no idea what its like to be starving and seeing food sitting on the shelves is so devoid of appreciation for the animal or process which got it there.

[gego]

There is a certain amount of what humans see as "inhumanity" or creulty in the mass meat industries, but I doubt that these quantities could be delivered at the prices they are, without the mass movement, slaughter and processing system we now use.

For some of us it is possible to raise and kill animals under better conditions on a small scale on our own homesteads, but in the end, in order to eat the meat the animals must die.

It never seems to bother other animals I see kill and eat. Ever see a cat kill and eat a mouse or bird, or a dog kill and eat a rabbit, or a hawk kill and eat a snake? They get excited and seem to enjoy the kill. Being repulsed by killing animals seems to be a human response of those totally removed from the realities of being an animal. It is a learned response, like from things like reading books like Bambi which personify animals. People who have had raising and butchering animals or hunting animals as part of their everyday life experience do not have this repulsion.

As Roger indicated, hunger likely will have the effect of shocking people out of their "civilized" response to meat getting else they likely will starve more quickly than the rest of the surplus population.

[Vexed]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his food squeemishness is a fad of modern civilisation that is divorced from food production.

[Cobra_Strike]

If people in the first world countries were not as divorced from reality as many seem to be...then there would not be as much of a problem here...it is not gross, and as sad a thing as it is to kill other creatues so that we can live...its needed.

[EndOfSewers]

Deliberately forsaking a whole category of nutrient-dense foods is a guilty pleasure for the rich. Doubly so for strict veganism which isn't even physically viable in a first-world country without fortified foods, supplements and medical care.

Ironically veganism is more viable in 3rd world countries because insects and feces contain B12 and contamination of food is prevalent. Of course life in general there sucks more than enough to offset this "benefit". Jainists etc. tend to develop deficiency diseases after they migrate to first world countries where sanitation is better.

[coyote]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'T')his food squeemishness is a fad of modern civilisation that is divorced from food production.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', 'H')owever, that doesn't mean that industrial meat machines like Tyson behave in an acceptable manner. They do not. They practice cruelty and inhumanity on a scale that is, yes, shocking. It bothers me ethically.

[Golgo13]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('coyote', 'I') understand what you're saying about the squeemishness fad and agree with it -- most people have no clear idea where their Big Mac actually came from, and would freak out if they did.

[Dukat_Reloaded]

Has anyone who has seen the movie posted to this thread? Watch the movie first and then post.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dukat_Reloaded', 'W')atch the movie first and then post.

[arocoun]

Well, I didn't know whether to start a new thread, or revive the old one, but I guess I'll revive the old one to keep things neat. And I'll include a link in this post, since it seems most people won't go out of their way to search for it.

First off, I'm not a PETA freak--I don't want to force anybody to instantly become vegan, or start using PC language like "non-human animals", or anything crazy. I'm not against the eating of meat, if it's done right. But what I do want is for some stuff to end.

For those who purchase animal products: All I'm asking is that you know what you're almost certainly paying for, when you buy most meat, milk, eggs, pets, leather, and fur. And if you don't like it, change it. Because there are lots of other ways of doing everything. You can at least make sure your meat comes from a good old fashioned, non-completely-evil farm. Or even eat just a little less meat.

The following video starts out with some philosophizing on why one should give a crap about animals' suffering, then moves on to the stuff that could change the way you think about using animals forever. Yes, you'll find the video has a vegetarian/vegan message, but all I want out of it is to send a "non completely f***ed up way of treating animals" message.

WARNING: The following link contains extreme violence and extreme gore. It will upset most viewers. A lot.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1282796533661048967

The question to ask yourself--Do I care enough to see where my money's going?

"The images you are about to see are not isolated cases. These are the Industry Standard for animals bred as Pets, Food, Clothing, for Entertainment and Research. Viewer discretion is advised."

[threadbear]

We will look back in gobsmacked horror at how we treat animals today. That social message will be moved along and eventually become mainstream, part of an over all condemnation of our abuse of the environment. It is much more planet friendly to kill and eat plants, or limit yourself to animals, raised locally and killed humanely.

[gg3]

As often happens, Coyote is right on target with this one.

Humans are omnivorous animals with the intelligence to recognize suffering in others (including other species) and to make conscious choices. We can choose to minimize the suffering of the animals we kill for our food. And in fact there is no morally viable excuse for the failure to do so.