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What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Postby mortifiedpenguin » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 17:12:04

I have finally become sane.

What the hell is wrong with every single person on this planet? Why do we fight each other? We are the SAME FUCKING SPECIES!!!!! What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Why do we kill each other? Why was the bomb invented? Why was the nuke invented? Why is there a such thing as a torture device? Why are there racists? Why do we crash planes into buildings and kill 3,000 people? Why did we kill the innocent people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Why did Japan even attack the US in the first place? Why was there a World War I and World War II? Why has there ever been a single war? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH US?????????

If we had just all united as one race, we wouldn't have any problems. We could have done great things long ago. We could have the greatest technology in the universe. Colonies all across the galaxy. Cures for everything. No wars. There would be no Peak Oil. We could have built a utopia. How did we mess up? HOW THE HELL DID WE MESS UP??????

This is absolutely pathetic. There should never, ever, ever be a reason for one human being to kill another. There should never be a reason for two people to fight each other. It's never too late for us to unite, pick up the pieces, and solve the problems that really matter, but we won't because we are just too stupid. We are pathetic. And I am done with it. I quit. I'd rather die than be a part of the absolutely pathetic race called humans.

Goodbye.
"Until next time, take care of yourselves, and each other." - Jerry Springer
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Postby mgibbons19 » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 17:13:19

you don't sound sane

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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Postby lateStarter » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 17:18:17

Good question. As long as you assume we are functioning at the same level as yeast, it would be obvious. You are assuming that we as humans have some higher qualifications. I agree that it could have and should have been so much better. But, it won't be. Get ready for the ride down. Hang on tight...
We have been brought into the present condition in which we are unable neither to tolerate the evils from which we suffer, nor the remedies we need to cure them. - Livy
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Postby cynthia » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 17:29:14

I hear your despair.
Do you have family? Friends? Go be with them. NOW. Suicide is a selfish act that devastates those left behind.
Focus on thoughts and activities where you feel you have control. Take a break from the news-a self-imposed black-out.
Go volunteer.
We can only "fix" one person at a time and that starts from within.
If you commit suicide, you die a broken person.
Don't give up.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Postby venky » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 17:44:29

Ah yes, the supposed greatness that human beings are capable of and the frustration at our stupidity in squandering our inheritance on this planet. Been there my friend.

But was this greatness in our grasp in the first place? Could the outcome have been different? Our human beings in a 'collective', such as the entire population on this planet any different from yeast on a petridish?
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Postby RonMN » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 17:50:00

Personally, I really liked that rant...I also agree with it.

Answer 1. We never really evolved from cavemen (we just made bigger better "tools".

Answer 2. Imagine there's no countries...it isn't hard to do...
Nothing to kill or die for...& no religion to...
Imagine all the people...living life in peeeeeeace YOUHOOOOOOoooooOOOooo
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Postby keehah » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 18:04:05

Stress response to 'civilization'?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '(')In) The Human Zoo, renowned zoologist Desmond Morris argues that many of the social instabilities we face are
largely a product of the artificial, impersonal confines of our urban surroundings. Indeed, our behavior often startlingly resembles that of captive animals, and our developed and urbane environment seems not so much a concrete jungle as it does a human zoo.

Animals do not normally exhibit stress,
random violence, and erratic behavioruntil they are confined.

Similarly, the human propensity toward antisocial and sociopathic behavior is intensified in todays cities. Morris argues that we are biologically still tribal and ill-equipped to thrive in the impersonal urban sprawl.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1568361041?v=glance
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Postby mmasters » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 18:15:40

Reminds me of how I felt when I got out of college and entered the corporate world of wall street. lol

Yeah, it's bullshit, but eventually if you really want to make a difference you'll come to fully accept it all.

Additionally you'll work with it to make ends meet best for yourself. Maybe even come to take over a little nitch in the world and make it the best.

Fight battles small enough to win, big enough to matter.

There's a big battle ahead for all of us, best understand all you can to make the most of it. The people that REALLY understand what's going on and play the system right will be THE evolutionary force of the future. Peak oil is a chance for those in the know to strut their stuff amongst the sheep and make things happen.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Postby rogerhb » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 18:35:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mortifiedpenguin', 'W')hy do we fight each other? We are the SAME FUCKING SPECIES!!!!! What the hell is wrong with everyone?


There are too many of us for this finite planet. Something has to give every now and then.

The general idea is this:

My interests are not the same as your interests, or rather they are, but they revolve around me getting what I need, and if that means denying you what you need then so be it.
"Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers." - Henry Louis Mencken
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Postby oowolf » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 18:38:16

How about:

"Intellectual" knowledge (2+2=4) can be transmitted from generation to generation, by rote.

while

"Emotional" knowledge (It is better to give than to recieve") must be personally learned, by experience, by each individual of each generation.

So, we can build a hydrogen bomb through accumulated intellectual knowledge, but we have to learn every generation, all over, that building such things is really stupid, and USING such things is suicidal insanity.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Postby BigTex » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 18:49:37

There is no magic to being the same species. Other members of the same species fight--monkeys, apes, goats, bulls...the difference with us is we use tools and out fighting makes use of these tools, which causes us to kill each other in territorial and ideological turf wars.

Just like the animals, only scaled a lot larger.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Postby Madpaddy » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 19:02:41

If I'm reading his post right mortifiedpenguin has gone and offed himself. Sad really, it's people liek that we need.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Postby Rabbit » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 19:06:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', ' ')Is the entire population on this planet any different from yeast on a petridish?


Yes, we are different. Yeast can't destroy the Petri dish. :cry:
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Postby gego » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 19:15:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mortifiedpenguin', ' ')And I am done with it. I quit. I'd rather die than be a part of the absolutely pathetic race called humans.

Goodbye.


Let me get this straight. You abhore the violence that men commit against one another, yet you choose to commit violence against yourself.

That's going to be quite something to put on your tombstone, "I hated killing so I killed myself". If you are making funeral arrangements in advance please let us know so we can submit a photo of your tombstone to Jay Leno for Monday night headlines.

Oh well. "Party of one! Party of one! Now room for a party of one in the recently vacated seat on the peak oil lifeboat". Nice of you to dieoff in advance and make room for someone else.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Postby rogerhb » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 19:20:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gego', 'L')et me get this straight. You abhore the violence that men commit against one another, yet you choose to commit violence against yourself.


I think violence has something to do with consent. If a doctor amputates a gangrenous leg, is he being violent?

Is he violating something?
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Postby Vexed » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 19:23:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('keehah', 'S')tress response to 'civilization'?
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '(')In) The Human Zoo, renowned zoologist Desmond Morris argues that many of the social instabilities we face are
largely a product of the artificial, impersonal confines of our urban surroundings. Indeed, our behavior often startlingly resembles that of captive animals, and our developed and urbane environment seems not so much a concrete jungle as it does a human zoo.

Animals do not normally exhibit stress,
random violence, and erratic behavioruntil they are confined.

Similarly, the human propensity toward antisocial and sociopathic behavior is intensified in todays cities. Morris argues that we are biologically still tribal and ill-equipped to thrive in the impersonal urban sprawl.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1568361041?v=glance


This is the same general idea as was presented in the book: "Future Shock," although substitute the idea of civilization-stress with technology-stress. Pretty interchangeable concepts, eh?

Anyway, both are interesting books. I tend to prefer HZ (which I read when I was like 13 and thought was absolutely brilliant).

However neither solves the monkey puzzle. They, like most excellent books, just help illuminate how much we don't know...

...about what the hell is wrong with everyone.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Postby gego » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 19:46:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '
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I think violence has something to do with consent. If a doctor amputates a gangrenous leg, is he being violent?

Is he violating something?


Perhaps I stated this incorrectly Somehow when I read the mortifing statement of the penguin, I somehow pictured a person with a gun in his hand pointing to his temple, hence my thought of violence.

But even with something passive like sleeping pills, I can still think of it as an agressive act against one's self, particularly when he expressed anger and frustration at others which I think he is turning against himself.

Actually I was just trying to immitate your keen sense of humor in dealing with someone who was having a small fit, but maybe next time I will leave that to the master.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Postby KhanCEO » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 19:49:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mortifiedpenguin', 'W')hy do we fight each other? We are the SAME FUCKING SPECIES!!!!! What the hell is wrong with everyone?


There are too many of us for this finite planet. Something has to give every now and then.

The general idea is this:

My interests are not the same as your interests, or rather they are, but they revolve around me getting what I need, and if that means denying you what you need then so be it.


Bingo! Not to mention those "other people" look different and talk in funny languages.

Personally, I think it has more to do with this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ey+masters

The people who print money really want us to hate another nation because war makes the biggest debt , these bankers make money off debt. Till you change how money works in the world, humans will continue to murder each other. :x

As for putting up with all this madness I don't mind, so long I have my caramel latte and fat pay check :twisted:
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Postby Jack » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 20:10:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat the hell is wrong with every single person on this planet? Why do we fight each other? We are the SAME FUCKING SPECIES!!!!! What the hell is wrong with everyone?


It isn't a defect; rather, it is a fundamental design element. True of humankind, true of all other elements of life on Earth. Rejecting that reality will lead to nothing but frustration.
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Re: What the hell is wrong with everyone?

Postby NEOPO » Fri 01 Sep 2006, 20:39:37

A different view.

Yes we used this to get this far but at some point we cast off our think coat, lost our 2 inch claws, 3 inch canines and became human.

The body has made the transition but the mind lags behind.

"And the world will live as one"
It is easier to enslave a people that wish to remain free then it is to free a people who wish to remain enslaved.
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