[Z]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')he people in that region are a sad fall-off from their former greatness, many centuries ago. but the Palestinians are the bottom of the barrel.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Z', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')he people in that region are a sad fall-off from their former greatness, many centuries ago. but the Palestinians are the bottom of the barrel.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I')ts been a theme of mine that leftists hate their fathers and are a bit wacko.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I')ts been a theme of mine that leftists hate their fathers and are a bit wacko.

[Eli]

I do not think it is all clear cut or black and white.

The Palestinians have suffered a lot under Israel but they also shot themselves in the foot too.

Before the first and second intifada many Palestinians had good jobs in Israel, and things were much better.

Then things started to go sour and the Palestinians took to blowing themselves up on buses and in the shops of Jerusalem. Low and behold Israel took to setting up tighter and tighter restrictions as the Palestinians kept blowing themselves up.

Israel would crack down on the Palestinians only to find them blowing themselves into more tiny little pieces in the shops.

Now they are confined to their own broken down corrupt slums that have virtually no economy. It is not like they can travel over to Lebanon and get great jobs or anything.

Hell Lebanon already has enough Palestinians in slums, they can't vote or even own property in Lebanon. Jordan has plenty too that they also treat like second class citizens. The Hasmite Kingdom does not have that much love for the Palestinians especially since Yasser Arafat tried to over throw King Husein back 1971. That is when he kicked the PLO and Yasser out of Jordan right on his tuchus.

Nope, nothing good is going to come out of the middle east. The only thing I see coming is WWIII, with Israel and the US on one side and the rest of the world on the other. It is already and it will become one huge shit sandwich and we will have to take a bite.

[Doly]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'T')he only thing I see coming is WWIII, with Israel and the US on one side and the rest of the world on the other.

[Miki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gigashadow', 'T')his is true for much of the middle east, though. Very little, if anything, in the way of scientific or technological innovation has come out of there in the past 100 years.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'D')o I need to provide you with a list of people from Arab decent that are CEOs of the most important companies in the world, that are renowned professors at Ivy League universities, or that work in the most innovative institutions of your country?

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'Y')ou guys can’t even deal with Katrina or 9/11. You get traumatized, paralyzed, and expect the world to be shaken about your situation, even though your suffering is minuscule compared to the suffering of the Palestinian people.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'Y')ou guys can’t even deal with Katrina or 9/11. You get traumatized, paralyzed, and expect the world to be shaken about your situation, even though your suffering is minuscule compared to the suffering of the Palestinian people.

[Eli]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'T')he only thing I see coming is WWIII, with Israel and the US on one side and the rest of the world on the other.

[Miki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'N')ow, this is interesting. So, you're saying that they're very much part of the economic and intellectual elite? It stands to reason that they would have some political influence and some money, right?

But note that they haven't done anything to help the Palestinians!

It appears that they care as much about the Palestinians, the Lebanese, and various others as do I!

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '
')They have done plenty, but their efforts would only work if the US was a democracy. The neocon fascist regime has taken control of America, and none of you has been capable of doing anything about it.

[Miki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'M')ake no mistake the Palestinians were offered East Jerusalem as a capitol all of Gaza and 95% of the West Bank and a Nation of their own for the very first time. There has never been a true Palestinian Nation they have always been ruled over either by the Turks, or the British.

Yasser Arafat said fu to Ehud, and demanded the right of return which everyone knows means the destruction of Israel.

[Eli]

Well the right of return as it is called would be political suicide for Israel, it is as simple as that.

Arafat at Camp David called for the right of return of Palestinians and their descendants back to their original homes in what is now Israel.
The key word there is descendants, that includes not just all the Palestinians displaced but their children and there children's children.

Article 194 was passed way back in 1948 good info on what it says.

Anyway I agree with a something in your unbiased reference article. I agree with the part where it said that there will be no lasting peace until the Palestinian right to return is addressed.

The fact is some day the Palestinians are one day going to take back by force that which they lost and on that day the nation of Israel will come to an end.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', '
')
Anyway I agree with a something in your unbiased reference article. I agree with the part where it said that there will be no lasting peace until the Palestinian right to return is addressed.

The fact is some day the Palestinians are one day going to take back by force that which they lost and on that day the nation of Israel will come to an end.

[Eli]

OK Pen that is true of course.

I do not know how it will all shake out but I can say this all those Palestinians that stick in the slums of Gaza and the West Bank are not going be any happier when PO sets in.

[rwwff]

Well...

RoR would kill Israel dead.
Therefore they can not accept it.

RoR is apparently essential for Palestinians.
Therefore they can not accept a deal without it.

Therefore, no deal is possible.

Thus the sides need to choose between engaging in Total War, with the annihilation of the opposing population as the objective; or they need to just admit that Isrealis will be shelling Palestinians, and Palestinians will be suicide-bombing Israelis for the next five hundred years.

I think they have chosen the latter, with occassional emotional whining about wanting to engage in the former. And to be honest, that might just be best; with the fewest people possible maimed and killed.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '
')They have done plenty, but their efforts would only work if the US was a democracy. The neocon fascist regime has taken control of America, and none of you has been capable of doing anything about it.

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')erhaps the U.S. based folks who care could send money to help them settle in.