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A good passage for people worried about peak oil...

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Re: A good passage for people worried about peak oil...

Unread postby peaker_2005 » Sat 19 Aug 2006, 02:40:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'I') have to agree pushy Christians are pretty darn annoying. Not everyone is going to be a convert.

Some Christians make the mistake that they can argue someone into Christianity and it just plain does not work. They forget that when people are not interested in what they have to say, it is time to shake the dust off their feet and keep on walking.


The Senior Pastor at our church has a saying: If you argue them into it, somebody else will argue them out of it.
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Re: A good passage for people worried about peak oil...

Unread postby rogerhb » Sat 19 Aug 2006, 02:42:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('doomed', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'A')re you asking what my (the biblical) approach is ? If you want to know I will tell you, but only if you want to know, I can assure you it is not what you think.


I'm interested.


Spread the word...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')RTHUR: Yes, of course! The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch! 'Tis one of the sacred relics Brother Maynard carries with him. Brother Maynard! Bring up the Holy Hand Grenade

ARTHUR:
How does it, um-- how does it work?
LAUNCELOT:
I know not, my liege.
ARTHUR:
Consult the Book of Armaments!
BROTHER MAYNARD:
Armaments, chapter two, verses nine to twenty-one.
SECOND BROTHER:
And Saint Attila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, 'O Lord, bless this Thy hand grenade that, with it, Thou mayest blow Thine enemies to tiny bits in Thy mercy.'
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Re: A good passage for people worried about peak oil...

Unread postby Eli » Sat 19 Aug 2006, 12:30:13

First let me begin by saying

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')BORING PROPHET:
...Obadiah, his servants. There shall, in that time, be rumours of things going astray, erm, and there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things wi-- with the sort of raffia work base that has an attachment. At this time, a friend shall lose his friend's hammer and the young shall not know where lieth the things possessed by their fathers that their fathers put there only just the night before, about eight o'clock. Yea, it is written in the book of Cyril that, in that time, shall the third one...


See here is the problem where we are all at these days. It is precisely because of mans own greed and avarice that the world is in such a mess. While it cannot be denied that science has brought many wonderful things to the world it always seems to create as many problems as it solves. We can't cure cancer but we can build a neutron bomb.

Einstein is quoted as saying $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')nsanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.


Looking to science to solve all the problems it has brought does not make sense (imho).

The way the world works overall is through greed, we have built our whole world around boundless consumerism. Money is the all powerful god most people serve.

At the heart of it the world is really not confronted with scientific problems, but rather spiritual problems. Lets say overnight we found a new cheap transportation fuel.

What would happen?


Well PO would be solved but then people would just do what they have always done. They would move out further into the farmland throw up more McMansions on it and consume away.

Nothing would be solved greed would still win the day.

Jesus Christ has come to change our hearts and change us from what we are into what we should be.

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance...

This is what Christ intended to bring to the world without the above nothing will ever get any better for mankind.
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Re: A good passage for people worried about peak oil...

Unread postby BigTex » Sat 19 Aug 2006, 13:15:20

I'm a Christian. The kindness and humility in Jesus's message were and are inspiring. As for everyone else, they can make up their own minds about what religion appeals to them. I'm not a salesman.

As for the original post about not worrying about the future, I think that is right on. Preparing is actually much more effective than worrying. If you talked to a football team at practice on Wednesday about whether they were worried about the game on Sunday they would probably say that they were too busy getting ready for the game to waste any time worrying about it.

Becoming a student of self-sufficiency and smaller scale local sustainable societies and positioning yourself well for certain unpleasant future contingencies has a way of alleviating a lot of worry.

George W. Bush built his house in Crawford, Texas to function more or less totally off the grid. He is an evangelical Christian and an oil man, why do you think he built a house that could function post-oil unless he thought that oil might be in short supply within his lifetime? He took Jesus's advice and he's not worried, he's just getting ready for the big game on Sunday.
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Re: A good passage for people worried about peak oil...

Unread postby clueless » Tue 22 Aug 2006, 12:15:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('doomed', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'A')re you asking what my (the biblical) approach is ? If you want to know I will tell you, but only if you want to know, I can assure you it is not what you think.


I'm interested.


Sorry for the delay - Had my second son Isaac Jonathan Smith saturday...

There are so many things not commonly taught that are in the Bible -

On the Federal Reserve and greedy nations :

Amo 8:4-6 Hear this, O ye that swallow up the needy, even to make the poor of the land to fail, (5) Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit? (6) That we may buy the poor for silver, and the needy for a pair of shoes; yea, and sell the refuse of the wheat?

Environment:

Rev 11:17-18 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Suburbia:

Isa 5:8-10 Woe unto them that join house to house, that lay field to field, till there be no place, that they may be placed alone in the midst of the earth! (9) In mine ears said the LORD of hosts, Of a truth many houses shall be desolate, even great and fair, without inhabitant. (10) Yea, ten acres of vineyard shall yield one bath, and the seed of an homer shall yield an ephah.
(in other words suburbia will bring about a famine)

Agriculture:

Lev 25:4 But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.

War:

Luk 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

Economy & Usury - (ALL debts are to be forgiven every fifty years to keep a healthy society - This also coincides with the Kondrotiev cycle)

Lev 25:10 And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.

In spite of the lie western civ spreads, God's plan is not for us to live the way we live - He told Adam to live sustainably. I cannot get into my study on this board, but can send out a bible study I did on this very issue going all the way back to the Tower of Babel - FOr some reason mankind wants to congregate in unsustainable living conditions...

Anyway doomed - Think about it. God scattered the Jews for not giving the land a sabbath, do we let the land rest ? What will happen when industrial agriculture is judged, along with everything else, because we want to pile into Babel like cities, God said

Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Replenish means to scatter or fill over the whole - That is obviously more difficult now becasue the earth being in a state of entropy and decay is not the same as it was pre-flood, but nonetheless we are not to inhabit the earth the way we do...

We will see judgement on steroids not becasue God is going to throw a tantrum and kill us all, but because we are not living according to his commandments...

I would like to chat more about this, but have other issues to deal with.

Peak Oil Christians let's stay in touch !!!
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Re: A good passage for people worried about peak oil...

Unread postby sciencegirl » Tue 22 Aug 2006, 12:26:48

The bible is so dreadfully boring, so much focus on Jesus. Why don't we just worship baal or some other god.

I choose Bacchus as my personal savior.
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Re: A good passage for people worried about peak oil...

Unread postby rwwff » Tue 22 Aug 2006, 12:38:43

If I were still a heathen' I'd recommend we start a Cult of Mars. That'd fit in with all this Apocolypse stuff pretty well.

Or maybe a modified shinto/bushido cult built around the rifle instead of the sword...
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Re: A good passage for people worried about peak oil...

Unread postby clueless » Tue 22 Aug 2006, 12:38:59

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Amen Sister !
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Re: A good passage for people worried about peak oil...

Unread postby PrairieMule » Tue 22 Aug 2006, 12:57:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sciencegirl', 'T')he bible is so dreadfully boring, so much focus on Jesus. Why don't we just worship baal or some other god.


Might want brush up on Baal thing. Go back and read 1 Kings 14:27 or if you slight the bible look at the archelogical evidence by men of science. Then be thankful your parents didn't worship Baal.
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Re: A good passage for people worried about peak oil...

Unread postby Eli » Tue 22 Aug 2006, 13:09:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1') Kings 14: 27 And king Rehoboam made in their stead brasen shields, and committed them unto the hands of the chief of the guard, which kept the door of the king’s house.


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Re: A good passage for people worried about peak oil...

Unread postby PrairieMule » Tue 22 Aug 2006, 13:29:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '1') Kings 14: 27 And king Rehoboam made in their stead brasen shields, and committed them unto the hands of the chief of the guard, which kept the door of the king’s house.


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Sorry my bad. Still rusty on my Old testament. Baal worship involved child sacrificing by fire. Mentioned again in greater detail in Jeremiah
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Re: A good passage for people worried about peak oil...

Unread postby Aaron » Tue 22 Aug 2006, 13:31:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.


Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB

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Re: A good passage for people worried about peak oil...

Unread postby sciencegirl » Tue 22 Aug 2006, 16:14:55

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Re: A good passage for people worried about peak oil...

Unread postby NEOPO » Tue 22 Aug 2006, 16:24:16

As if GWya is an xtian.... thats hilarious.
As if any of you people are true christians......
As if!! ;-)

Oh oh... you are talking about what people have made of christianity....oh yeah then sure... yer a xtian........heh

One nation under god - guess your god hates native peoples!

Hmm I am confused but isn't this the same god who claimed that "he" had made a mistake and then decided to kill everyone with a flood???
That is so ungod like now isnt it? ;-)

Or perhaps your god is the one who led the Jews into battle with the palestinians and commanded the jews to kill/sacrifice most of the remaining enemy population - even the women and children.

Yeah I get the real fooked up feeling that this IS your god.

Books - check em out!!!

Lotsa neato religions out there kids - lots of information - Dont be like some of these idiots and close your mind before it has a chance to open.

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