[Jack]

We've discussed the issue of development of law during the progression of Peak Oil.

At the link, there is a discussion of laws that are secret, but which people are required to obey.

Note that the law itself is secret. One cannot see it, cannot know the contents, before or after the infraction.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/secrecy/2004/11/111404.html

For those seeking an isolated, self-sufficient hideaway, these developments are, in my opinon, worthy of your consideration.

[Josephus]

Quite the sobering report. The sad thing is most Americans willfully submit to these laws without question. Is this part of the Patriot Act? What a frightening thing it will be when you can be arrested and detained and told you have no right to ask why you're being harrassed. It looks like that day is coming at haste. Sounds like Double-Secret Probation for all of us.

[Kingcoal]

It's only a matter of time before we're all Guantanamo residents. I've been brushing up lately on my confessing. Did that, done that, doin it tommorow.

[gg3]

Strictly speaking, the piece in question is only a regulation enabling TSA to conduct searches of airline passengers. I don't object to showing ID or getting frisked at an airport. However the idea of relevant legislation & regulations being "secret law," is a camel's nose under the tent.

The point at which things really cross the line is when we start seeing cases of American citizens being disappeared; except the problem there is in "attempting to prove a negative," i.e. disappearances by their very nature are almost impossible to prove. "Where's my husband?" Who knows?, he could have decided to skip town with another woman....

Amnesty International should start holding lectures across the US about how to deal with this stuff. The countermeasures that were used by people in various third-world despotisms would probably be of value here.

One possible countermeasure to disappearances is for people to utilize their networks of friends & family to constantly maintain tracking. Just as is the case when you live in a high-crime neighborhood: always make sure someone knows where you are, where you're going, and what your routines are. Then if you fail to show up or check in, they have a point from which to initiate search procedures. And you also have a lever against those who would disappear you: simiply telling them that you have friends & family tracking you, makes it more likely that they will find some excuse to let you go.


At present, we have a one-party state, i.e. one party in control of the Executive branch and both houses of the Legislative branch, and about to gain the ability to control the Judicial via Supreme Court appointments. One could argue that in a democracy, people get the government they deserve...

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gg3', 'S')trictly speaking, the piece in question is only a regulation enabling TSA to conduct searches of airline passengers. I don't object to showing ID or getting frisked at an airport. However the idea of relevant legislation & regulations being "secret law," is a camel's nose under the tent.