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Re: Corn Plastic to the Rescue

Unread postby rwwff » Sun 20 Aug 2006, 16:22:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'N')ow what's it called---the Code of Rape and Pillage?

Naahhhh, its the code of Victory.
And its first rule...
Never engage in a fair fight.

Well, the Code of Victory isn't working for us either. Unless you believe the MISSION is ACCOMPLISHED, that is!


Lets see...
Oil at $70+
US grain and AgCorp stocks set to rise strongly
Iraqi oil trading in US$.
Arabian oil trading in US$
Eastern Flanking Base vs Iran manned and supplied.
Western Flanking Base vs Iran manned and supplied.
Mediteranean landing base vs Syria, Jordan, et al; secured.
Naval assets fully supplied with munitions and fuel.

I'd have to say that things are proceeding apace; probably better than any of the planners had imagined.

It seems to me that the end objective of the above is brutally apparent, though I doubt there are any in the know that would give voice to those plans; especially since they are likely the same people who've patiently waited twenty years for a chance to pull it off.
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Re: Corn Plastic to the Rescue

Unread postby rwwff » Sun 20 Aug 2006, 17:57:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')he soldier on the ground gives a shit about that code because he/she has to live with the consquence of ignoring it. It's easy for the generals and politicians to order barbarity but the fighting mans pays. All benefit in times of war from setting this agreement. If one soldier breakes the code he/she should be punished by his/her peers for their own sake and safety. Consequently Bush should be impeached.


Were you not around for the Clinton excercise. I promise, that thing seemed like it was absolutely justified and required to those on the right; and it ripped them good, and Clinton walked out smelling like a rose... sorta. You are suggesting that the Democrats attempt to impeach Bush if they gain control in 2006? Doing so would relagate them to minority status for decades. The republicans had a powerful Jerrymander to protect them from their stupidity; the democrats have no such luxury; any marginal seats they pick up in 2006 are going to be h*** to keep. Just whispering the word "impeachment" will likely cost those guys five percentage points that they'll never get back; and those seats will go from 49/51 toss ups that they can win with Bush based discomfort to a 44/56 seat that they could never win.

Unfortunately for the Republicans, I don't think the Dems are that stupid.

PS: The Geneva conventions do not require a "fair fight"; never have, never will.
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Re: Corn Plastic to the Rescue

Unread postby Heineken » Mon 21 Aug 2006, 00:29:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'N')ow what's it called---the Code of Rape and Pillage?

Naahhhh, its the code of Victory.
And its first rule...
Never engage in a fair fight.

Well, the Code of Victory isn't working for us either. Unless you believe the MISSION is ACCOMPLISHED, that is!


Lets see...
Oil at $70+
US grain and AgCorp stocks set to rise strongly
Iraqi oil trading in US$.
Arabian oil trading in US$
Eastern Flanking Base vs Iran manned and supplied.
Western Flanking Base vs Iran manned and supplied.
Mediteranean landing base vs Syria, Jordan, et al; secured.
Naval assets fully supplied with munitions and fuel.

I'd have to say that things are proceeding apace; probably better than any of the planners had imagined.



Nothing is "secured." We find that out every morning when we open our newspapers.

As far as materiel goes, we can't even keep our tanks running. They're in mile-long lines waiting for repairs we can't afford.

And you forgot to add: US irreparably bankrupt. Dollar close to worthless.
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Re: Corn Plastic to the Rescue

Unread postby rwwff » Mon 21 Aug 2006, 00:34:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'N')othing is "secured." We find that out every morning when we open our newspapers.

And you forgot to add: US irreparably bankrupt.


Secured means different things depending on objective. Those position are secured because there is absolutely no force in Iraq that can forcefully dislodge them. Thats just the way it is. Whether insurgents kill 10, 100, or 1000 people in a day in Iraq is irrelevant to that truth.

The US became bankrupt the moment it created Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. Against those three; nothing else is even in the same league. It is taking a long, painful path towards settlement day.... But the printing presses will start, sooner or later.
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Re: Corn Plastic to the Rescue

Unread postby Heineken » Mon 21 Aug 2006, 00:48:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'N')othing is "secured." We find that out every morning when we open our newspapers.

And you forgot to add: US irreparably bankrupt.


Secured means different things depending on objective. Those position are secured because .


blah blah blah

The positions are secured depending on what military gobbledygook is spewed forth to say they are.

No point going into Medicare and Social Security. I just hope you'll have resources when you need a $100,000 operation and have no medical coverage whatsoever.
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Re: Corn Plastic to the Rescue

Unread postby rwwff » Mon 21 Aug 2006, 01:01:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'N')o point going into Medicare and Social Security. I just hope you'll have resources when you need a $100,000 operation and have no medical coverage whatsoever.


I ain't granting consent for any $100,000 operation, procedure, or course of treatment. No way, no how, not ever. Hospice and morphine will do just fine, thanks.
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Re: Off topic posts from "Corn Plastic" thread

Unread postby Heineken » Mon 21 Aug 2006, 10:27:38

Sounds like a cop-out to me, not just personally but in this debate.

What if that $100,000 operation could add 10 good years to your life, and the alternative to not having it was your hospice/morphine route? Would you rather that money went into your operation or into the trigger of a bunker-buster nuke?

I know which option you'd choose if push come to shove.
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Re: Off topic posts from "Corn Plastic" thread

Unread postby rwwff » Mon 21 Aug 2006, 11:13:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'S')ounds like a cop-out to me, not just personally but in this debate.

What if that $100,000 operation could add 10 good years to your life, and the alternative to not having it was your hospice/morphine route? Would you rather that money went into your operation or into the trigger of a bunker-buster nuke?

I know which option you'd choose if push come to shove.


1) You don't know me well enough to draw that conclusion.

2) To address your second point, I'd prefer neither. I'd prefer that money not be spent, period.

3) No medical procedure known to man that costs $100,000 can promise adding 10 good years to ones life. Thats nuts. Everyone dies, there's no sense getting overly excited about it, and throwing $100k at a problem isn't likely to result in much benefit. Both from the religious and non-religious point of view it works out the same; from faith we can prefer a dignified death, with palliative care, and eternal life; from a non-religious point of view, the day of one's death works the same in these cases, whether its at 68 or 78 years of age makes little difference.

PS: Nothing above should be construed to indicate that I don't think people should have a choice about these $100k+ excercises in sadism, but I believe it should ALWAYS BE A CHOICE, consent or forbiddance should both be considered acceptable.
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Re: Off topic posts from "Corn Plastic" thread

Unread postby Heineken » Mon 21 Aug 2006, 13:31:32

You're flat wrong about procedures (plus hospitalization) that could add many years (five, ten, whatever) to your life not costing $100,000, rwwff. I was a medical editor (for a pharmacy journal) for 15 years and know whereof I speak.

http://www.buyamericaninsurance.com/tis ... ochure.jsp

Examples that come to mind are quadruple-bypass surgery and malignant-brain-tumor removal. Of course, it all depends on the parameters of the individual case. And naturally there are no promises or guarantees in life. You could have successful resolution of the brain-tumor problem and get run over the next year.

OK, so you'd opt for the hospice instead of more life. Good hospice care doesn't come cheap either!

So if you'd rather the money not be spent on a nuclear trigger either, why do you advocate doubling the DoD's budget? Inconsistent.

Your strategy makes sense to me only if the condition is incurable or very difficult to cure.

I guess I don't really understand where you are coming from in some of your positions. It's sort of a mish-mash. I guess I'll sort you out eventually.
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