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Most Sustainable Culture

Postby NEOPO » Sun 20 Aug 2006, 22:22:02

I believe that Native Americans were one of if not THE most sustainable cultures yet I am sure that you overly educated geeks can prove me wrong ;-)

Who was the most sustainable and why please?

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Re: Most Sustainable Culture

Postby Lighthouse » Sun 20 Aug 2006, 22:34:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '.')..

yet I am sure that you overly educated geeks can prove me wrong ;-)

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Not really. They could not even sustain their lifestyle for 50 years after white Europeans took over.
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Re: Most Sustainable Culture

Postby Eli » Sun 20 Aug 2006, 22:38:24

Yeah history proves that out :roll:

Last time I checked there weren't any buffalo roaming these parts.

What about the Romans? They were pretty successful indoor pluming, literature, engineering, the Roman phalanx....oh wait never mind.
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Re: Most Sustainable Culture

Postby eastbay » Sun 20 Aug 2006, 22:44:13

Native Americans... lol.... uh, ok. They were as busy killing each other as Asians, Arabs and Europeans were.

There never has been nor ever will be any human population that avoided overshoot unless by destruction brought on by clash of culture.
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Re: Most Sustainable Culture

Postby keekles » Sun 20 Aug 2006, 22:51:29

The Bushmen of the Kalahari? Wikipedia

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Re: Most Sustainable Culture

Postby NEOPO » Mon 21 Aug 2006, 00:14:50

Ok I will refine that and suggest that we talk about sustainable cultures IF left to their own devices.

If the Native americans managed to violently or with whatever means control their population then they still managed to control their population which is an example of sustainability.

The bushmen are a fine example and yes the gods must be crazy is funny shit ;-)

BTW - White hunters slaughtered the Buffalo for "hides" yet the more obvious reason was to starve the plains indians.

Eastbay - what mankind knows can in no way compare to that which mankind knows not.

There are countries in Europe that have a zero or even negative population growth rates if that is what you want to say is sustainability then there ya go smartass.

You speak with such certainty yet history is still being written and most of what has past was never written.

I am talking about sustainable practices more then anything please as it may apply to post peak life of course - retards....
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Re: Most Sustainable Culture

Postby Lighthouse » Mon 21 Aug 2006, 01:00:51

Sustainability is a dream one can hardly achieve. You need others to become sustainable. Even if you as a group manage to pull it off there is always the danger of an outside force destroying what you and your friends have build.

I personally do not want to live like native Americans or African Bushmen nor like Australian Aboriginals lived 200 years ago ...
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Re: Most Sustainable Culture

Postby rogerhb » Mon 21 Aug 2006, 06:15:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'S')ustainability is a dream one can hardly achieve. You need others to become sustainable. Even if you as a group manage to pull it off there is always the danger of an outside force destroying what you and your friends have build.


Which, funnily enough, is yet another reason why it is said the planet is overpopulated. There are too many of us for us all to live sustainably, so the current situation will not be sustained.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lighthouse', 'I') personally do not want to live like native Americans or African Bushmen nor like Australian Aboriginals lived 200 years ago ...


I presume you didn't ask to be born either!

In answer to the original question, hunter-gatherer stone-age man was the most sustainable, he managed 2 million years like that.
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Re: Most Sustainable Culture

Postby CrudeAwakening » Mon 21 Aug 2006, 06:44:01

... bacteria?
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Re: Most Sustainable Culture

Postby rogerhb » Mon 21 Aug 2006, 06:53:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CrudeAwakening', '.').. bacteria?


Now that is some culture. For the first two billion years of life on earth, there were only bacteria, they created the oxygen rich atmosphere..... Takes some thinking to get your head around that one.
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Re: Most Sustainable Culture

Postby napoleon » Tue 22 Aug 2006, 07:38:05

the mongols
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Re: Most Sustainable Culture

Postby frankthetank » Tue 22 Aug 2006, 09:40:35

Amish?
lawns should be outlawed.
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Re: Most Sustainable Culture

Postby Falconoffury » Tue 22 Aug 2006, 09:46:06

If not for global warming, maybe the eskimos.

Australian tribes?
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Re: Most Sustainable Culture

Postby sciencegirl » Tue 22 Aug 2006, 10:34:37

Greenlanders maybe, they use geothermal for heat, and they keep their population low. I don't know, their were alot of contenders.
2nd runner up: HIPPIES
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