[doomed]

when I opened my bible last night I found this passage.

I'm gonna take it to heart and not obsess over post oil collapse anymore. I really felt as if God was speaking to me with this one because at times I've worried myself sick about all that is to come. We all need to learn to trust in God and take life one day at a time. Each day has enough to worry about without obsessing over the future.



Mathew 6:25

25"Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? 26Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life[b]?
28"And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. 29Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 30If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' 32For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 34Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

[sciencegirl]

Hope you enjoy starving. I will place my faith in good old gold and silver. I will store food, because i do worry about where my next meal comes from.

[PrairieMule]

I think if you were to ask a Christian who follows "Post Tribulation Rapture" line of thought vs. a "Left behind" Pre-trib line of thought, they would tell you the answer is a combination. A hybrid of finding both comfort and drive in a deep faith but at the same time doing as the Bible advises "Preparing place in the wilderness".

IMHO-People have often done great things taking leaps of faith.

[doomed]

And I hope you enjoy your gold and silver. I hope it serves you well in THIS life.

I'm gonna put my faith in God not in anything of this world. There will be all kinds of horrible ways to "die" post oil, but I could also die horribly in an automobile crash today. Worrying about how you are gonna die is pointless. The only thing I can do is make sure I'm ready to go any time.

People have faced all kinds of hardship throughout history. Its only in recent times that people have not had to worry about every day survival. And that for a small fraction of the population. Most of the people in this world do face hardships on a daily basis.

Materialism and money are the gods of our current society and its all fixing to blow up in our faces in a big way. This is what our society deserves. We did this to ourselves by not living right.

In such an uncertain future I believe the only thing most people are gonna have left is their faith, if they have any.
I know where I'm placing my faith and its not in anything of this world. No of us gets out of this world alive.

[sciencegirl]

I will enjoy my gold and silver, har har, me hearty. At least I will get to eat. If my money will allow me to buy some land I can grow food, and of coarse i would share what I can. Money is not evil, but greed is. I don't need a book to tell me that, it should be common sense. The reason were in this peak oil pickle is because of greed.

Faith is a crutch, I believe in what I can see.

[seahorse2]

The lifespan of a bird (example from the passage), is not very long. Assuming they don't freeze to death or starve to death, my cat will probably get them (at least 4 in the last month).

But who cares really? Who cares what may or may not happen? To get to a point of contentment, you really have to ask yourself, why are you worried? What causes you to fear? There is nothing to fear, as they say, but fear itself.

To understand that there is nothing to fear but fear itself, you have to be able to separate what is real from what is an illusion. The only thing that is real is the present moment. Everything else is an illusion created by the wandering mind. All any of us are guaranteed is the present - not the future. So enjoy it, enjoy that which is real and don't fear the future, which is an illusion created by your mind.

The problem with enjoying the present, is that the mind likes to wander to and fro from it, and the mind, the imagination, can envision all kinds of terrible things when it wanders from the present. But those things envisioned are not real, no matter how scary they might seem - its just the left brain at work. However, its up to you to decide where to let your mind wander from the present moment - to a happy place or a fearful, sad place. But since neither has occured, neither is real. Keep in mind, that's all it is, your mind wandering. It's not real, its an illusion created by you and held only by you.

Why does the mind seem to wander to visions of a dark fearful future? Because of a genetic need to survive. We have this genetic need to survive, so we envision the worse as a safeguard to get ready. This, however, causes people, even subconsciously, to have a need to always have more, bc they worry, they envision what they might need - greed flows from the need for self-preservation, and greed causes all kinds of problems individually and culturally. Greed leads to desire, one can never be happy desiring things one does not have. Again, all based in a need to survive an uncertain future, but never living in and enjoying the present.

The physical genetic need to survive, though, needs to be balanced with the fact that we have the ability to see beyond that need and recognize the fact that, genetically, we are also mortal. We will all die. In fact, to be "happy" and overcome the fear to survive, one has to recognize that he is mortal, and that can't be changed. Fearing death is not realistic is it? Not since its inevitable. So, don't fear the inevitable - balance the need to survive and its desire to protect itself with a desire for happiness in the present moment - the only reality.

When one accepts that they are mortal, they then make the right moral decision everytime - which is a decision not to advance themselves, to insure their own survival, but a decision for the common good, a common morality. One acts unselfishly. One accepts they own nothing in this world, but are merely caretakers of all that existed, caretakers for others to follow. One quits acting out of self-interest, quits fearing illusions, and begins enjoying the present - the only reality. Seize the day as the say.

All we can do is enjoy the present and not fear a future which doesn't exist but in your own mind. If you live in fear, you deprive yourself the enjoyment of the present, thus you make yourself unhappy. Go outside, stare at a mountain, a cloud, or stars in the night sky, and enjoy that which was here long before you and that which will be here long after you are gone. Look at the same stars and moon that every man and woman who has ever walked the earth has stared at, the same stars I will see tonight, and the same stars that those who follow us will see. Stare at those things which cannot be taken, be happy.

The next time your mind wanders, don't wander to the dark recesses of your own mind, instead, take a breath, realize that you are alive, and let your eyes wander up to the heavens, look into what's real, let it come into you, and you will be happy.

[Eli]

Right on Prairie Mule and Doomed


I know what I would like to hear when I go.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

[PrairieMule]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sciencegirl', 'I') will enjoy my gold and silver, har har, me hearty. At least I will get to eat. If my money will allow me to buy some land I can grow food, and of coarse i would share what I can. Money is not evil, but greed is. I don't need a book to tell me that, it should be common sense. The reason were in this peak oil pickle is because of greed.

Faith is a crutch, I believe in what I can see.

[seahorse2]

Happiness is intrinsic not extrinsic. One will never be happy if they are looking for something else to bring them that happiness, be it gold or god (same thing in my opinion). One can never have enough gold to prepare for the future, bc the future is unknown, and not even the wealthiest Soros, Gates, Waltons, ever say, I have enough.

Happiness is a choice, a choice made in the present. No one here will ever feel secure or happy worrying about the future. It will never get here, so worry on, and on, and on.

[sciencegirl]

If I freeze air it becomes visible, and I know that radiation exists because it has weight. Gold and silver have had value for much of human existance. I would rather eat and let the neighboor starve if the neighboor was to stupid to put anything away, but if I had extra I would share.

Here is my wisdom: You only live once. Enjoy it to the fullest or waste your opportunity. (In moderation, I don't believe in wastefullness, it just wrecks things for everyone else)

[PrairieMule]

Well put Seahorse. Sorry if I came across harsh SC. I too have been purchasing metals which is a very sound thing to do-mostly lead and brass.

[sciencegirl]

Why lead and brass ?

[PrairieMule]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sciencegirl', 'W')hy lead and brass ?

[sciencegirl]

Lets just hope you are not poaching, the government does not look to kindly on that.

But seriously, have you put aside anything, gold, silver, food etc
or just bullets

[NEOPO]

Take no thought?

yeah......tis one of my favorite verses indeed.....to show christians how they are nothing like their christ and also to demonstrate how unnatural and unhuman these things truly are.

and what my I ask were your christ's last words according to two of the four gospels.....

Eloi eloi lama sabachthani......need I interpret?

I can explain and it makes perfect sense yet who am I to bring this wisdom to you.....

Did someone place this on a platter and bring it to me or did I have to strive and find it for myself......yes.

Unlike the bible which was force fed to me and just about every other wide opened yet soon to be closed north american and european mind starting at a very early age.

Amungst rubble I found the truth which is higher then all religion.
In the garbage hid my salvation - naturally it seems to hide where few look.......Within.
A second to see - an eternity to believe.

If not for the desire to control of one man you would know little or nothing about this book as you probably know little or nothing about the other books and yay even the knowledge that was never written in any book and most certainly the same knowledge with which your judaic messiah's existence was based upon is primarily unknown to you still.

A drop becomes a trickle becomes a flow becomes a stream becomes a river becomes the oceans that clothe thee.

And in these oceans you claim to be clothed in truth yet there is no doubt that the truth started with the drop.

Thank Constantine I for your faith since he was the one who brung it to you - on a platter no less - he commissioned the first bibles which ultimately wound up in every hotel room - freely passed out by the gideons and the mormoms and on and on.

Kinda hard to miss huh?

Kinda hard to believe that it is not a form of programming at this point isnt it?

Theosophy

There I go again...... serving things up

Another good verse "I send ye forth as sheep amungst wolves - be ye therefore as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves".

and

"A prophet is not without honor except in his own land and in his own home".

I chuckle at the notion of praying to any god "just in case"

You guys and gals really crack me up sometimes...really.
I only hope I can do the same in return

When it comes to peakoil and global warming - there is nothing that will sooth the pain and mental anguish and I truly believe that is how it should be.

Anger is a gift!!!
Fear is your only god!!!

Let us see - where is this thread located - ah open discussion - good!!

Fear is......fear is your only god.....
Fear is......fear is your only god.....
All the world is jails and churches
and all the world is jails and churches
Yes I know my enemies
They're the teachers who taught me to fight me
Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission
Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite
All of which are American dreams (8 times)
All of which are American dreams
All of which are American dreams
All of which are American dreams
All of which are American dreams
All of which are American dreams
All of which are American dreams
All of which are American dreams



psalms of today - prophets of the present.

[sciencegirl]

I like this one. Here is my code:

Peace is a lie
There is only passion
Through passion I gain strength
Through strength I gain power
Through power I gain victory
Through victory my chains are broken
The Force shall set me free

[PrairieMule]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', '
')
I chuckle at the notion of praying to any god "just in case"

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')The reason were in this peak oil pickle is
because of greed.

[seahorse]

As long as we're throwing out favorite passages, try this:

Invictus
by William Henley

Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed

Beyond this place or wrath and tears
Looms but the horror of the shade
And yet the menace of the years
Finds, and shall find me, unafraid

It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate;
I am the captain of my soul.

[rogerhb]

From Schindler's List:

This is very cruel, Oskar. You're giving them hope. You shouldn't do that. *That's* cruel!